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    Could These Guys Be Traded?
    Jeremy Lin and 20 more eligible players who could be dealt this season. Plus, Michael Beasley's struggle, Arron Afflalo's stroke, and the Art of Kobe
    By Zach Lowe on December 11, 2012

    Trade season is nearly upon us. This Saturday, December 15, marks the date on which teams can trade most of the free agents they signed in the offseason. The lifting of that restriction won't inundate the market with hugely desirable players, in part because salary cap quirks keep free agents who received some of the biggest raises off the market until January 15 (Brook Lopez, Kris Humphries, Roy Hibbert, Ersan Ilyasova) or for the remainder of the season (Eric Gordon, Nic Batum, and any other restricted free agent whose team exercised matching rights to keep him).

    But there are still some interesting names available, and more players makes the cap mechanics easier for some of the intriguing rumored trade targets already eligible (Pau Gasol, Andrea Bargnani, etc.). League executives agree the chatter has been quiet so far, but they say that every season, and it's early yet. Here's a team-by-team look at some intriguing December 15 names, and a few words on the likelihood of any moves.

    The Sexy Names

    Jeremy Lin

    The Rockets didn't expect to get Lin from the Knicks, and they certainly didn't expect to follow up the Lin swipe by dealing for a superstar ball handler who would usurp Lin's intended role. But that's what happened, and now Lin is shooting 39.5 percent (including a miserable 52 percent in the restricted area), barely getting to the line, and struggling to fit in as a secondary ball handler/spot-up shooter. He's losing crunch-time minutes to Toney Douglas, and that price tag — about $8.3 million per season — looks much steeper now than it did in July.

    The Rockets are bold, they prize flexibility, and assuming they keep their lottery-protected first-rounder (property of the Hawks), they may need to shave off a teensy bit of 2013-14 payroll in order to offer a veteran a max-level contract this season.

    Would they actually trade Lin, a potential marketing bonanza? Extremely unlikely. There is value in having two capable ball handlers against defenses increasingly bent on forcing teams to swing the ball from strong side to weak side, and it's early to pull the plug on an enticing player. Houston could also cut its cap figure by doing any number of less dramatic things, including declining what amounts to a second-year option on Carlos Delfino — himself trade-eligible on Saturday, and a useful piece for a good team in need of a backup shooter.

    Ryan Anderson and Eric Gordon

    No one knows what's going on with Gordon's knee, and cap rules give him the right to veto any trade until July 2013. But it's unclear whether he wants to be in New Orleans after urging the Hornets to let him sign with Phoenix last summer.1

    It's also unclear if and when he'll be healthy again, an uncertainty that will obviously depress whatever market might exist.

    As for Anderson, it's sweet that the Lakers want him in any theoretical Gasol deal. But the rebuilding Hornets would seem to have little use for an aging center earning $19 million per season through next year, and there's no indication New Orleans has much interest in trading Anderson in any three- or four-team deal that would send Gasol elsewhere. He's a productive player with a hugely valuable skill set on an affordable contract averaging about $8.5 million per season. The Hornets can open up max-level cap room without moving either Gordon or Anderson.

    The Noisy Teams

    The Toronto Raptors, All of Them

    Perhaps the league's biggest disappointment, the 4-18 Raptors have bigger deals to consider than any involving their December 15 crew; the whole NBA knows the Andrea Bargnani/Jose Calderon package is an almost perfect salary fit for Gasol, though the Lakers' front office has presumably watched Bargnani shoot bricks and play some of the worst help defense in the league.

    Saturday's deadline frees up (among other Dinos) John Lucas III, a shoot-first backup point guard who can barely get minutes in Toronto, and Landry Fields, a wildly overpaid wing who once again shot miserably this season before undergoing elbow surgery. The handcuffs also come off Alan Anderson and Aaron Gray, but none of these guys moves the needle much. The Raptors, as of now, would be capped out this summer and could have only limited flexibility — something like $8 million to $10 million in space — in the summer of 2014 if Bargnani is still around, so they have some incentive to cut salary.

    Andre Miller

    Speaking of incentive to cut salary: Denver is on pace to be very near the tax line next season, assuming Andre Iguodala sticks around for the final year of his current deal at $16.1 million instead of opting out. They're also a decent team right now — 10-11 despite playing a tough schedule heavy on road games — with a need for both outside shooting and a usable two-way big man. They've got salaries of almost every size attached to intriguing players, and Professor Miller's December 15 entry into the trade market just adds another such player — one George Karl admittedly adores. They've also got a massive $13 million trade exception left over from the Nene deal. The Nuggets could essentially get involved in any sort of deal, and Miller is a plus offensive player on an affordable contract that will pay $5 million next season and as little as $2 million in 2014-15. He's a minus defender whose presence on the court forces Denver into constant and uncomfortable switches, but he's valuable in the right role.2

    The Phoenix Mess

    The headliner here is Michael Beasley, and you can count on zero hands the number of teams that have any interest in acquiring Beasley now, with $6 million on the books for next season and at least $3 million for 2014-15. Saturday also frees up Jermaine O'Neal (reborn, and stealing Marcin Gortat's minutes), a fierce defender in P.J. Tucker (swiping Beasley's time), the very good Goran Dragic, and Shannon Brown, a decent rotation player when he doesn't have to create off the dribble.

    The vultures are circling Phoenix, looking to see if they can extract value from the Suns' collective failure. The Suns have little interest in dealing Dragic, but the tension between Gortat and Alvin Gentry could lead to a larger deal — one that could include more puzzle pieces starting Saturday.3

    More Names to Watch

    Courtney Lee

    Teams are looking, and they'll look harder when Avery Bradley returns and adds another wing player to Boston's crowded rotation. But each of those wings has a unique skill set Boston might need at some point to unseat Miami; Lee has better size than Bradley or Jason Terry, and his track record suggests he's a better long-range shooter than Bradley. But he's been cold from outside this season, and struggled initially to pick up Boston's defensive concepts. He's come along in that regard, and on a four-year mid-level deal, he'll draw some interest for a Boston team searching for another big.

    Ramon Sessions

    Teams are definitely going to call Bobcats GM Rich Cho about Sessions, a free-throw machine who has cut his turnovers and generally helped as something between a bench player and an honorary starter. But he's in the middle of a ghastly shooting slump, his 3-point touch from last season has proved a blip, and his minutes have been inconsistent. Charlotte is in asset-acquisition mode, and if they can flip a 26-year-old (mostly) career backup for a draft pick, they may well do it. Sessions is on an affordable $5 million deal that expires after next season, and he could help any team in need of another ball handler.

    Indiana's Messy Bench

    Count the Pacers among those potential playoff teams in need of said secondary ball handler. D.J. Augustin has been so bad (shooting 26.6 percent) as to open the backup point guard spot for Ben Hansbrough, and Gerald Green has lost the creative mojo he flashed in Jersey last season. The Pacers have shopped Tyler Hansbrough (the league's most unwatchable player) in the past, and both Green and Ian Mahinmi (shooting 41.5 percent after a hot streak) become trade-eligible on Saturday. All carry small salaries that could augment a larger trade, though any monster Danny Granger deal is less likely given Granger's knee issues.

    Jason Thompson and Aaron Brooks

    Thompson is coveted around the league after signing a five-year deal worth about $6 million per year. He's a solid two-way player who does just about everything at a "B"-level but nothing at an "A"-level, making him an ideal third big man on a good team. He's blocking Thomas Robinson, and the Kings could stand to cut some long-term salary; they'll be just about capped out this summer once you factor in Tyreke Evans's cap hold and Brooks's player option.

    Brooks has rediscovered his shooting stroke but lost his ability to generate assists or free throws in Sacramento's always broken and usually poorly spaced offense.

    The Dallas Mavericks

    At 11-10 despite a ton of rotation turmoil, Dallas may actually be in "add" mode in anticipation of Nowitzki's return — and with Derek Freaking Fisher somehow starting at point guard. They'll be cautious about adding any long-term money that could impact their anticipated max-level room this summer, though.

    Chris Kaman and O.J. Mayo are December 15 guys, but there is no sign at this point that the Mavs have any interest in trading either. Mayo is still red-hot, if a bit turnover-prone, and Kaman is having perhaps the most efficient scoring season of his career — which is much-needed, with Dirk Nowitzki out a few more weeks. Kaman's defense and rebounding have been unsteady, but teams will kick the tires on a decent big with an expiring deal. Mayo has played so well as to transform his deal into an expiring, since his $4 million player option for next season is relatively cheap, but the Mavs have little incentive to deal him.

    The Philadelphia 76ers

    Half the roster becomes trade-eligible Saturday on mid-tier or cheap salaries. The bigger names are Nick Young (shooting 38 percent and recovering from a toe injury) and a brigade of centers that has been so ineffective the Sixers will be in the market for a big man once trading season heats up. Kwame Brown almost never plays, Lavoy Allen's offense has regressed, and Spencer Hawes is no longer providing enough scoring/passing punch to make up for his shaky post defense. The Evan Turner/Jrue Holiday/Thaddeus Young core is basically set in stone here, and Jason Richardson's shooting has been helpful; the Sixers have outscored opponents by a robust 6.3 points per 100 possessions when those four play together, per NBA.com.

    Everything else, including Andrew Bynum's future, is up in the air.

    Jameer Nelson

    The Magic badly missed Nelson's playmaking during the seven games he was out due to injury, but he's shooting poorly in the first year of a pricey three-year deal, and he hasn't lifted Orlando's offense at all since his return. Nelson's almost 31, so the market for him won't be very big even if the Magic try to pair him with J.J. Redick's expiring deal.

    The Chicago Bulls

    Several guys become trade-eligible Saturday — Kirk Hinrich, Nate Robinson, Vlad Radmanovic, Nazr Mohammed, and Marco Belinelli. Robinson and Hinrich have been borderline essential in Derrick Rose's absence, and Belinelli has shot the lights out of late in Rip Hamilton's starting spot. The Bulls have a $5 million trade exception, but they're more than $3 million over the tax line and will likely work to cut costs.

    The Brooklyn Nets

    Keep an eye on the Nets. Kris Humphries won't be trade-eligible until January 15, but his unreliable defense has him out of favor with Avery Johnson. The team is stretching Reggie Evans and Andray Blatche further than is healthy, and C.J. Watson, trade-eligible on Saturday, is a valuable piece who has seen his minutes dwindle since mid-November. The Nets are in win-now mode, and if they feel they need another big man, they could build a package around some of these guys, plus MarShon Brooks, who only recently cracked Johnson's rotation.

    J.J. Hickson

    Neil Olshey has a reputation as a risk-taker, and rival executives are wondering if he might try to get ahead of any potential LaMarcus Aldridge discontent and start at least thinking about potential deals. Hickson becomes trade-eligible on Saturday, but as a Bird Rights guy on a one-year contract, he can veto any deal. Hickson was halfway out of the league not long ago, but he has worked in Portland to focus on what he does well — rebounding and scoring off cuts — and less on what he wishes he could do well.

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    A few names on this list would be interesting for the Pacers. (Courtney Lee, Ramon Sessions come to mind)

    Would you give up one of our low cost players (Tyler, Green, DJ, etc) and a draft pick in next years draft in order to get one of these, or any other players from a team looking to shed salary?
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    While I generally agree with most of this (hell, he likes Tyler Hansbrough less than I do), calling J.J. Redick just an expiring deal is insulting. He's probably a top-10 shooting guard right now. I would love to have him on the Pacers. I would think many GM's of playoff caliber teams are thinking the same.
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    I mostly just skimmed, but only Andre Miller really seems like a smart option.

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    While I generally agree with most of this (hell, he likes Tyler Hansbrough less than I do), calling J.J. Redick just an expiring deal is insulting. He's probably a top-10 shooting guard right now. I would love to have him on the Pacers. I would think many GM's of playoff caliber teams are thinking the same.
    I wouldn't go that far as saying he's top 10, but yes, just an expiring is insulting. Dude is having a career year...but it's a contract year, so that always worries me.
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    Only Andre Miller really seems like a smart option.
    Yes he does. His defense sucks, but he couldn't be worse than DJ. He's such a smart player and makes those around him better. Bench would really benefit with having him on the team.
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    Toronto isn't getting Pau.

    Pacers should try to get Calderon. I still think a fair trade is Calderon + Ed Davis for Tyler + Pends + DJ + 1st. I think the money should work out there too.

    I could see the Wolves making a play for Pau though.
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    I wouldn't go that far as saying he's top 10, but yes, just an expiring is insulting. Dude is having a career year...but it's a contract year, so that always worries me.
    I was basically just thinking that since Paul George was basically unanimously declared a top-10 guy at his position, and Redick is better than him, it must mean he's a top-10 SG. But I haven't counted.
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    Surprised that Derrick Williams isn't on that list. He's been getting some DNPs lately. That's pretty harsh for the former #2 pick.

    I'd trade Tyler for him. lol I bet Kahn loves Tyler's game.
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    I've wanted Reddick for a good 2 years now. Was practically dreaming of us getting him in a big Dwight trade at the deadline last year.

    Getting Andre Miller'd be great. Problem with trying to make moves is other than our big core pieces we basically have nothing of value we'd be willing to move. West has a TON of value I imagine, but we'd have to get a long term piece back for him and it's hard to find a guy like that on a team that'd want West.

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    Getting Miller or Reddick would be incredible. We legitimately don't have a single trade piece, though, and we're pretty close to (or at) the cap.

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    I've wanted Reddick for a good 2 years now. Was practically dreaming of us getting him in a big Dwight trade at the deadline last year.

    Getting Andre Miller'd be great. Problem with trying to make moves is other than our big core pieces we basically have nothing of value we'd be willing to move. West has a TON of value I imagine, but we'd have to get a long term piece back for him and it's hard to find a guy like that on a team that'd want West.
    Yeah, all we can really offer is cap relief with DJ and Hans. The article saying Denver will be close to the luxury is what made me perk up about Miller. We can offer them some cap space with 2 expiring contracts that add up to about $6.5 milion, and we can take back Miller. We get a veteran PG that is still a good offensive player that our bench needs for a decent price, and they get a little more flexibility.

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    Id be shocked if West doesnt get close to traded. I love him, and he and Hill have been our pillars. But I think its inevitable that he signs elsewhere this offseason.
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    Id be shocked if West doesnt get close to traded. I love him, and he and Hill have been our pillars. But I think its inevitable that he signs elsewhere this offseason.
    Unless it actually brings back value I would rather let him walk and have the cap space to use on another player. With that said stop being paranoid.

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    If we could get Miller for DJ and Hans I'm all over it. Just not sure if we actually could, gotta think they'd be able to get a much better package.

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    Unless it actually brings back value I would rather let him walk and have the cap space to use on another player. With that said stop being paranoid.
    let him walk


    please there are plenty of teams who have exprings or a TPE tack on a 1st rd pick with them and get value instead of letting him walk. We are a small market team and small market teams cant let valuable chips like West walk for nothing.

    Hell the Blazer got Damian Lillard for Gerald Wallace at last years deadline. If the Blazers would of just let Wallace walk and lose out on the pick wouldn't you be livid? D-West should have great value at the deadline don't know if we can get a lottery pick but we can get a good return.


    trade him or sign him long term but letting him walk should not be an option for the Pacers.


    No way they trade Dre for DJ and Hans that would be beyond awful for the Nuggets



    If I am the Magic GM I am salivating can get top value for J.J and they also have other decent trade chips. I would have a fire sale to help the rebuild.
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    I'm just happy trade-centric articles are back. Seems like there has been no player movement at all this year. Admittedly I haven't been following that closely.

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    I personally would attempt to grab Gordon and Anderson from the Hornets.

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    I personally would attempt to grab Gordon and Anderson from the Hornets.
    I would too...

    but Dell Demps would probably Pricthard off the phone(they love Ryno and for good reason IMO)

    he might even say like Larry Legend once said "They don't have enough talent on the roster for Anderson and Gordon"


    didn't Bird say that about Danny and the #10 pick in 2010 for the #3 pick. He was right on the money in that evaluation.

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    I would too...

    but Dell Demps would probably Pricthard off the phone(they love Ryno and for good reason IMO)

    he might even say like Larry Legend once said "They don't have enough talent on the roster for Anderson and Gordon"


    didn't Bird say that about Danny and the #10 pick in 2010 for the #3 pick. He was right on the money in that evaluation.
    I can't remember the specifics of the rumors but there was all kinds of stuff floating about Jersey wanting Danny and yeah that's when Bird said that.

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    Man if we trade West I hope we really get something great in return. He's my favorite Pacer right now and the focal point of our offense. Would suck to lose him to a not so good package. I'd love to re sign him. Re tool the bench at the deadline and in offseason and Paul continues to grow. Grab some veteran bench players and I think we have a shot at the title if Danny plays close to what he was. Even if he averages 16 or 17 I'd say we have a good shot.

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    let him walk


    please there are plenty of teams who have exprings or a TPE tack on a 1st rd pick with them and get value instead of letting him walk. We are a small market team and small market teams cant let valuable chips like West walk for nothing.

    Hell the Blazer got Damian Lillard for Gerald Wallace at last years deadline. If the Blazers would of just let Wallace walk and lose out on the pick wouldn't you be livid? D-West should have great value at the deadline don't know if we can get a lottery pick but we can get a good return.


    trade him or sign him long term but letting him walk should not be an option for the Pacers.


    No way they trade Dre for DJ and Hans that would be beyond awful for the Nuggets



    If I am the Magic GM I am salivating can get top value for J.J and they also have other decent trade chips. I would have a fire sale to help the rebuild.
    Did you even read what I said. What do you think the word value means? What do you think me saying I would rather have the cap space means? As for your example, the Blazers traded Wallace for VALUE. The last thing you want to do is make a trade just to get some perceived value for the player, when that value isn't greater than what having the cap space may be. Stop acting like we can't sign anyone good with cap space, it is beyond idiotic. We just freaking signed West last December, and we beat out the CELTICS for him. If that doesn't show that we CAN sign good players, then I don't know what will. It isn't that good free agents won't sign with a small market, it is good free agents won't sign with a bad small market team. If you are a good team, you have just as much chance as a big market. The only thing that is laughable is making a trade just to make a trade because you want to get value in return, ignoring the fact that as long as you spend the money you saved by not re-signing him you ARE getting value in return. It is false logic to think the only way you get value is by trading the player.


    If you are just looking at skill yeah it would be terrible for the Nuggets, but if they are looking for cap space they most likely would be willing to take worse players to get that cap space. It really just depends on how desperate they are for cap space, and if they get better offers or not.

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    But if the Pacers continue to hover around the 0.500 mark come trade deadline, they should DEFINITELY move West.

    I think the last time the Pacers actually sold high on someone was DD. That got Jermaine O'neal. That worked out quite well in the beginning (no one could know he was going to have knee issues). It would be nice to sell high for once instead of waiting till a player has no value (ie. Tinsley and just about every player since).
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    But if the Pacers continue to hover around the 0.500 mark come trade deadline, they should DEFINITELY move West.

    I think the last time the Pacers actually sold high on someone was DD. That got Jermaine O'neal. That worked out quite well in the beginning (no one could know he was going to have knee issues). It would be nice to sell high for once instead of waiting till a player has no value (ie. Tinsley and just about every player since).
    This. West isn't coming back anyway. His value isn't going down and neither is his age. Hell, neither is his price. We need to flip him and maybe a pick for a bench. We can move Danny to 4 and keep Lance in with PG at 3 in a crunch if need be.


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    Default Re: Interesting Grantland article: Could These Guys Be Traded?

    Why trade West? You resign him because right now the team is in "win-now" mode with all the key pieces in place and hitting their primes. You are trying to win over the next 3-4 years with Hill-Paul-Danny-West-Roy, period. They can maintain a decent 3 deep regular minutes bench with the remaining money and stay cheap (ie, Sam Young deals, rookies) for the rest of the bench.

    You don't need cap space anymore. You got the guys you needed to get with the cap space (Hill, West). Those are the two guys doing the most to help the team win and coming through with the most clutch play. If you move them you might as well punt the entire ship because you are going to be an overpaid, underwinning team with zero trade assets. You won't even be in a good rebuild position.




    DJ + Hans for Miller would seem to make some sense for Denver if they really do have concerns for cap space. They might get a better deal but I don't think that's certain. They are at 47m with just Iggy, Lawson, Gallinari and McGee. W Chandler and Koufos takes that to 57m, so that's their team and that's without Brewer being resigned. They can't really afford to keep Miller (or one of those other guys instead).


    And even if that doesn't pan out, the level of expiring money with DJ and Hans is enough to tempt a lot of teams that want to start thinking about savings. OTOH the Pacers need to apply some of that savings to their own cap so it might be smarter to trade down a bit in salary rather than trying for a 1 to 1 dollar swap, and Miller's $5m fits that view well. For the Pacers this deal makes a ton of sense, and for the Nuggets they can't really take back an actual player for Miller. They need to be in the market for a draft pick, and a pick at 18-22 might not be so bad if Miller is the difference maker the team needs.

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    This. West isn't coming back anyway. His value isn't going down and neither is his age. Hell, neither is his price. We need to flip him and maybe a pick for a bench. We can move Danny to 4 and keep Lance in with PG at 3 in a crunch if need be.


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    I think Danny at the 4 could work, but short term. Which is all you would need to get through the remainder of the season.
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