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  • Greatest Pacers team in NBA history

    My top three are the 1999-2000, 97-98, and 03-04 teams.
    Smothered Chicken!

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    Re: Greatest Pacers team in NBA history

    97-98 was probably the best from top to bottom, but 99-00 got further than any other team. Those two are above all else, IMO.

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      Re: Greatest Pacers team in NBA history

      here is my order and I always just use the year in which the season ends.

      1998 - Bird's first year.
      2000 - Finals team
      1995 - Brown's second year
      1999 - lockout shortened season
      2004 - we know what happened here
      1994 - Brown's first year
      2012 - probably so

      I think the '98 team was better than the 2000 team for several reasons. The 2000 team did not have AD, Smits was really slowing down, McKey was slowing down. Only player that was better in 2000 than in 1998 was Jalen. Cro replaced AD in 2000
      Last edited by Unclebuck; 12-11-2012, 02:30 PM.

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        Re: Greatest Pacers team in NBA history

        1) 97-98 - Almost beat the bulls...SHOULD have beat them. Team was full of veterans and just clicking on all cylinders. DEEP bench.




        2) 99-00 - Made it to the finals...although this was the beginning of the east decline so 97-98 is more impressive. Nearly lost to MIL in 1st round too.
        3) 93-94 - Had a 3-2 lead in the ECF against the Knicks. Really blew game 7. Year of the choke sign.
        4) 94-95 - Finally beat the Knicks ... only to lose to the Magic in the ECF in 7
        5) 03-04 - Best Record in the league of 61 wins. One of the weakest years in league history for the East though and we still couldn't take advantage.
        6) 98-99 - Disappointing year coming off of the 97-98 season, but still made it to the ECF losing in a big upset to the Knicks
        7) 11-12 - Took the league by surprise with the 5th best record - lost to the eventual champions Miami heat in 2nd round after a 2-1 lead
        Lifelong pacers fan

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          I'd say '98 and '04 were two best hands down. As far as which one was better I like to take Reggie out of the equation and then consider the matchups. '04 bench led by baby Al and Anthony Johnson probably trumps Travis Best and Jalen Rose but Tony Davis puts '98 bench pretty far ahead of '04. Sorry Scott Pollard and Kenny Anderson. Starters you have to give a big advantage to Mark Jackson over Tinjury. Artest would straight beast Chris Mullin. JO has a fairly large advantage over DD but Smits would have the advantage over Foster. If I put them in a game of two on two, I think JO and Jeff would probably get the slight edge over Smits and DD. So Just at this stage I'd give a comfortable edge to '98. Now factor in '98 Reggie vs '04 Reggie and I think '98 is the clear winner.
          Last edited by Phree Refill; 12-11-2012, 02:43 PM.

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            Re: Greatest Pacers team in NBA history

            Originally posted by pacers_heath View Post
            1) 97-98 - Almost beat the bulls...SHOULD have beat them. Team was full of veterans and just clicking on all cylinders. DEEP bench.



            2) 99-00 - Made it to the finals...although this was the beginning of the east decline so 97-98 is more impressive. Nearly lost to MIL in 1st round too.
            3) 93-94 - Had a 3-2 lead in the ECF against the Knicks. Really blew game 7. Year of the choke sign.
            4) 94-95 - Finally beat the Knicks ... only to lose to the Magic in the ECF in 7
            5) 03-04 - Best Record in the league of 61 wins. One of the weakest years in league history for the East though and we still couldn't take advantage.
            6) 98-99 - Disappointing year coming off of the 97-98 season, but still made it to the ECF losing in a big upset to the Knicks
            7) 11-12 - Took the league by surprise with the 5th best record - lost to the eventual champions Miami heat in 2nd round after a 2-1 lead

            They could've beaten the Lakers in that series
            Smothered Chicken!

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              Re: Greatest Pacers team in NBA history

              Originally posted by Coopdog23 View Post
              They could've beaten the Lakers in that series
              I suppose they had a shot. But the Lakers were never really in any danger ... they were in danger of us tying the series a couple of times but we couldn't even do that. LA was up 3-1 on us we didn't really have a realistic chance of coming back. In '98 we had the lead going into the 4th quarter of game 7 and I was watching the game with Bulls fans they really thought they were going to lose. And the '98 Bulls were more impressive than the '00 Lakers IMO. They had Michael Jordan - the unquestionable greatest player to ever play the game on his way to his second three-peat. We were only the second team to take that Bulls team to a game 7 during their 6 rings and we were the only team to have a competetive game 7.

              And as a diehard fan I watched both those seasons very closely the 2000 team was just a lot weaker in many ways. Smits was a LOT better in '98 as was Mullin and Jackson. It really was a surprise 2000 was the year they ended up finally getting to the finals they looked pretty over the hill at times during the season, especially Smits, Mullin, and Perkins. If Travis Best wouldn't have hit that 3 in game 5 of the Milwaukee series that team wouldn't even be in this discussion. The Pacers were a lot older and slower in 2000 that team was on its last leg ... The east was also obviously weaker in 2000 vs 1998.

              As far as the 2003-04 team I'm not as big of a fan as some of that team. I never bought into JO being a franchise player and Artest was too unpredictable. Miller was really old and Tinsley wasn't playing like he was as a rookie. Keep in mind how weak the east was that year. There were only FOUR teams in the conference with a winning record...FOUR. And one of those four was 42-40. The Pacers played a 36 win celtic team in the 1st round and a 41 win team in the second round. The east was a joke that year. Don't get me wrong they were good, but not as good as their record indicates.
              Last edited by pacers_heath; 12-11-2012, 03:55 PM.
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                Re: Greatest Pacers team in NBA history

                Talent wise 03-04 is probably the best. 97-98 though is not that far behind, and had a huge mental edge which is what makes them superior.

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                  93-94. That team had great size and physical toughness. They defended, rebounded the basketball and out toughed/worked people. Team was just too inexperienced at playoff basketball and a veteran Knick's squad snuck past them. The next year was almost as good but the P's were unlucky and caught Penny Hardaway at the peak of his 3-year relevancy.

                  When they brought in Mark Jackson in 95 and later Eddie Johnson, Pierce, Mullin etc. to beef up the offense the paradigm changed and not in a good way. Throw in the injuries that started to happen with Workman, Smits, McKey etc and that team got way softer than most Pacer fans want to admit. I loved the 98 -2000 version of the team but they got slapped around in big playoff series way too often. The fourth quarter collapse on the defensive boards against the bulls in game 7 or the last two games against the Knicks in 99 were very hard to take when you think about it in the context of how the 94-95 team would have handled those situations.
                  Last edited by Downtown Bang!; 12-11-2012, 04:10 PM.

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                    Originally posted by pacers_heath View Post
                    I suppose they had a shot. But the Lakers were never really in any danger ... they were in danger of us tying the series a couple of times but we couldn't even do that. LA was up 3-1 on us we didn't really have a realistic chance of coming back.
                    Umm .. OK. So losing game 4 by 2 points in overtime essentially proved the Lakers owned the Pacers.

                    Yeah, that was a must win given the history of teams down 3-1, but I don't buy the whole "never really in any danger" thing. Why do other teams get credit for playing hard and losing close games but whenever the Pacers do it their opponents were somehow just toying with them?
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                      Originally posted by BillS View Post
                      Umm .. OK. So losing game 4 by 2 points in overtime essentially proved the Lakers owned the Pacers.

                      Yeah, that was a must win given the history of teams down 3-1, but I don't buy the whole "never really in any danger" thing. Why do other teams get credit for playing hard and losing close games but whenever the Pacers do it their opponents were somehow just toying with them?
                      Game 4 was just a Reggie three away from a Pacers W but it didn't go down. That would have tied the series yes. I'm not saying we weren't competetive against them, just saying the Bulls series was a LOT closer. Just trying to point out why i think 98 Pacers > 00 Pacers that's all. The Lakers were in danger of having the series tied 2-2, while the Bulls were minutes away from losing game 7 on their home court - a very, very impressive feat
                      Last edited by pacers_heath; 12-11-2012, 04:03 PM.
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                        Originally posted by pacers_heath View Post
                        I suppose they had a shot. But the Lakers were never really in any danger ... they were in danger of us tying the series a couple of times but we couldn't even do that. LA was up 3-1 on us we didn't really have a realistic chance of coming back. In '98 we had the lead going into the 4th quarter of game 7 and I was watching the game with Bulls fans they really thought they were going to lose. And the '98 Bulls were more impressive than the '00 Lakers IMO. They had Michael Jordan - the unquestionable greatest player to ever play the game on his way to his second three-peat. We were only the second team to take that Bulls team to a game 7 during their 6 rings and we were the only team to have a competetive game 7.

                        And as a diehard fan I watched both those seasons very closely the 2000 team was just a lot weaker in many ways. Smits was a LOT better in '98 as was Mullin and Jackson. It really was a surprise 2000 was the year they ended up finally getting to the finals they looked pretty over the hill at times during the season, especially Smits, Mullin, and Perkins. If Travis Best wouldn't have hit that 3 in game 5 of the Milwaukee series that team wouldn't even be in this discussion. The Pacers were a lot older and slower in 2000 that team was on its last leg ... The east was also obviously weaker in 2000 vs 1998.

                        As far as the 2003-04 team I'm not as big of a fan as some of that team. I never bought into JO being a franchise player and Artest was too unpredictable. Miller was really old and Tinsley wasn't playing like he was as a rookie. Keep in mind how weak the east was that year. There were only FOUR teams in the conference with a winning record...FOUR. And one of those four was 42-40. The Pacers played a 36 win celtic team in the 1st round and a 41 win team in the second round. The east was a joke that year. Don't get me wrong they were good, but not as good as their record indicates.
                        In 2000, they could have won game 4 in OT when Shaq fouled out and they only lost by 2 because Kobe scored every point for the Lakers in OT. They could have gone to LA in game 6 with a 3-2 lead. I agree with the fact Smits was better in 98 than '00. Jackson was equal in both years as Best was starting to emerge as a better guard than him. Mullin was better in 98, but you could see Jalen Rose's potential especially in the series vs the Bulls. The east was weaker in 2000, but the Sixers were strong with Iverson and the Knicks still had Houston and Springwell.

                        The 2003-2004 team was a great team. I never really liked JO either, but they had solid play at every position and they had a chance to go up 2-0 if it wasn't for "The Block" aka "The Goaltend" by Prince and if that's a made basket, the Pacers win the series and get a chance at revenge vs Kobe, Shaq, and the Lakers.
                        Smothered Chicken!

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                          Re: Greatest Pacers team in NBA history

                          Pacers got done in on the offensive glass by the Lakers guards in 2000 just like the Bulls series in 98.

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                            Originally posted by Coopdog23 View Post
                            In 2000, they could have won game 4 in OT when Shaq fouled out and they only lost by 2 because Kobe scored every point for the Lakers in OT. They could have gone to LA in game 6 with a 3-2 lead. I agree with the fact Smits was better in 98 than '00. Jackson was equal in both years as Best was starting to emerge as a better guard than him. Mullin was better in 98, but you could see Jalen Rose's potential especially in the series vs the Bulls. The east was weaker in 2000, but the Sixers were strong with Iverson and the Knicks still had Houston and Springwell.

                            The 2003-2004 team was a great team. I never really liked JO either, but they had solid play at every position and they had a chance to go up 2-0 if it wasn't for "The Block" aka "The Goaltend" by Prince and if that's a made basket, the Pacers win the series and get a chance at revenge vs Kobe, Shaq, and the Lakers.
                            I don't necesarily agree we'd go back to LA up 3-2 even if we won that game. It appeared as if the Lakers just didn't care in game 5 because they wanted to close out the series in LA. If we won game 4 they would have played a lot harder in game 5. Also, game 3 was pretty close and Kobe wasn't even playing - kind of hard to pretend that didn't matter. You could also argue if Kobe played game 3 they would have swept us.
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                              Originally posted by Coopdog23 View Post
                              In 2000, they could have won game 4 in OT when Shaq fouled out and they only lost by 2 because Kobe scored every point for the Lakers in OT. They could have gone to LA in game 6 with a 3-2 lead. I agree with the fact Smits was better in 98 than '00. Jackson was equal in both years as Best was starting to emerge as a better guard than him. Mullin was better in 98, but you could see Jalen Rose's potential especially in the series vs the Bulls. The east was weaker in 2000, but the Sixers were strong with Iverson and the Knicks still had Houston and Springwell.

                              The 2003-2004 team was a great team. I never really liked JO either, but they had solid play at every position and they had a chance to go up 2-0 if it wasn't for "The Block" aka "The Goaltend" by Prince and if that's a made basket, the Pacers win the series and get a chance at revenge vs Kobe, Shaq, and the Lakers.
                              That play was most definitely a block, and one of the best individual defensive efforts I have ever seen on a play.
                              Time for a new sig.

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