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Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

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  • #61
    Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

    Originally posted by BillS View Post
    Did DJ not turn down the offer Charlotte made?
    Well maybe so, but look how much better off they are without him, and look how much worse our bench is with him. Case closed. lol

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    • #62
      Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

      Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
      The fact that we are turning to Ben Hansbrough for meaningful minutes is really distressing.

      The fact that it is hard to argue is much, much worse.
      I'm sure Knick fans said the same thing about Lin.

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      • #63
        Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

        Originally posted by PGisthefuture View Post
        Yeah, Gerald really hasn't been THAT bad... He has been decent with the minutes he's been given. We haven't seen too many of those horrible passes we saw early on and doesn't try to do too much imo. I kinda wish he would dunk a little more, he hasn't dunked in forever it seems like... I just think there were some people who expected too much early on and also some who had it set in their mind that he was gonna be horrible from the start.
        For what he's worth, he's a good player. We brought him in to be a reserve for the next few years. He brings an offensive game we've been looking for off the bench.

        His defense isn't horrible. There's been plenty of times where he's all over the shooter. His speed and overall athleticism helps him. I would love to see him strip the ball away more from ball handlers. He has the potential to do that.

        He's still improving. To me, he's like a rookie as he entered a new beginning in his career.
        Last edited by Trophy; 12-10-2012, 05:15 PM.

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        • #64
          Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

          Originally posted by Pacersalltheway10 View Post
          I'm sure Knick fans said the same thing about Lin.
          I can't wait until the Bensanity craze catches the media by storm.

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          • #65
            Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

            Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
            Not that I don't think Augustin hasn't been horrible, but I don't think Ben Hansbrough is the answer. I would love to trade for Reggie Jackson.
            If Ben Hansbrough is the answer, you are asking the wrong question.

            Which we are.

            Should've signed Shaun Livingston.

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            • #66
              Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

              Originally posted by Hypnotiq View Post
              I think they will keep Reggie i doubt OKC are gonna pay Maynor i would have no problems going after either of these two
              Maynor has had just as bad of a season as DJ.

              4pts, 2 assts, 31% from the field, 33% from 3

              I really hope we DON'T go after that guy

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              • #67
                Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

                Originally posted by Trophy View Post
                For what he's worth, he's a good player. We brought him in to be a reserve for the next few years. He brings an offensive game we've been looking for off the bench.

                His defense isn't horrible. There's been plenty of times where he's all over the shooter. His speed and overall athleticism helps him. I would love to see him strip the ball away more from ball handlers. He has the potential to do that.

                He's still improving. To me, he's like a rookie as he entered a new beginning in his career.
                I've thought Green has played fairly well in limited minutes the past few games. His athleticism and length is definitely a plus on the defensive side. I wish he'd attack a little more, but he's been shooting 3's fairly consistently this month. Last night he scored 2 pretty good baskets in the 4th, and played pretty good D on Martin.

                Like I said, I actually think he could stand to be a little more aggressive. But he seems like he doesn't wanna step on anyone's toes

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                • #68
                  Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

                  Originally posted by Midcoasted View Post
                  We are a sub .500 right now and Tyler isn't the problem. He's still our best offensive rebounder, our best at getting to the line and making them, and a decent defender when he isn't being blamed for playing next to stellar defenders like Green and DJ. Sure his offense has been MIA, but I think DJ has at least a small part in that. Point guards give their teammates easy looks, that is their primary job. I am hoping that Ben is the answer. Tyler is still my favorite player and I won't give up on him just because 90 percent of the board thinks he is a scrub because he is struggling.
                  Tyler Hansbrough being a bad NBA basketball player is not a new development to this season.
                  "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

                  -Lance Stephenson

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                  • #69
                    Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

                    All this talk about how Ben "sucks" or how he is not the answer is more unfounded than my "he could be the answer" talk. No one has even seen the guy step on the court yet in a meaningful NBA game surrounded by NBA quality talent. My could be talk is not for certain. This certainty that he sucks is what bothers me. I know I'm not the only who likes to root for the underdog. Why not just try to have a little faith in our team? He made the team for a reason, and this is the exact reason why. Augustin has been horrid minus maybe 1 or 2 games all year. If Tyler has been one of the worst NBA players over the course of the season, then I don't even know which camp to put DJ in. He has been much worse at his position.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

                      Originally posted by Midcoasted View Post
                      We are a sub .500 right now and Tyler isn't the problem. He's still our best offensive rebounder, our best at getting to the line and making them, and a decent defender when he isn't being blamed for playing next to stellar defenders like Green and DJ. Sure his offense has been MIA, but I think DJ has at least a small part in that. Point guards give their teammates easy looks, that is their primary job. I am hoping that Ben is the answer. Tyler is still my favorite player and I won't give up on him just because 90 percent of the board thinks he is a scrub because he is struggling.
                      haha Best offensive rebounder. It's easy to do that when you just get your own board off constant misses. Also, I say it every game, "it's not a basketball game till Tyler gets blocked". And he gets blocked virtually every game.

                      Tyler is terrible. He's only of value if he can hit that outside jumper and he's proven he can't do that. And Tyler's defense isn't good.

                      Plumlee please! At least Plumlee should be able to provide some defense, and he's supposed to be a good rebounder. Time to give the Jeff Foster clone a try.
                      First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

                        Originally posted by Midcoasted View Post
                        If Tyler has been one of the worst NBA players over the course of the season, then I don't even know which camp to put DJ in. He has been much worse at his position.
                        http://www.basketball-reference.com/...sc=&offset=200

                        This is true. Augustin has been worse. Of the 234 players in the NBA who have played enough minutes per game to statistically qualify by the NBA's standards, Augustin is ranked 233rd in eFG%. Hansbrough is 227th.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

                          Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
                          Tyler Hansbrough being a bad NBA basketball player is not a new development to this season.
                          Being bad at what? Offense? I can't think of one other area of his game I would consider "bad." Sure not great by any means, but more than adequate for a 15 mpg back-up. He has had some great games this year. I think his biggest problem is consistency.

                          I do not agree at all that Tyler is a bad NBA basketball player. I would say he is an inconsistent one and his minutes have been decreasing ever since he was a key player in the playoff push that turned our franchise around in Vogel's first year. I would rather have Tyler starting next to a 25/10/2 all star center, than the current version of Hibbert playing next to West if I had to chose one or the other. Tyler would be fine if he was surrounded by talent. Instead we have surrounded him with Lou and Barbosa and Dahntay and Augustin and Ian and Green and Young. Our whole bench has been putrid for 2 years, to single out Tyler and call him the worst in the NBA when other bench players have been worse is unfair in my opinion.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

                            Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                            http://www.basketball-reference.com/...sc=&offset=200

                            This is true. Augustin has been worse. Of the 234 players in the NBA who have played enough minutes per game to statistically qualify by the NBA's standards, Augustin is ranked 233rd in eFG%. Hansbrough is 227th.
                            But then you factor in all around play like defense and rebounding (Hansbrough) or assists (Augustin) and getting to the line and Tyler is a solid bench player. Not the best, but not near the bottom of the league. Augustin is still bottoms of the league all around, regardless of efg%.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

                              Originally posted by Midcoasted View Post
                              Being bad at what? Offense? I can't think of one other area of his game I would consider "bad." Sure not great by any means, but more than adequate for a 15 mpg back-up. He has had some great games this year. I think his biggest problem is consistency.
                              Name one.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

                                Originally posted by Midcoasted View Post
                                But then you factor in all around play like defense and rebounding (Hansbrough) or assists (Augustin) and getting to the line and Tyler is a solid bench player. Not the best, but not near the bottom of the league. Augustin is still bottoms of the league all around, regardless of efg%.
                                The 4 rebounds per game, and 4 assists total on the season (4!!!!!) factor into making him not near the bottom?

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