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Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

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  • Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

    Given DJ's play, this is a no-brainer call. No harm, no foul regardless of how Hansbrough does.

    Still surprised re: the pace of 2nd team... they all can run the court and have less defensive prowess. I still believe that DJ has the potential to be a solid backup player. His play earlier in his career wasn't fluky, IMO.

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    • Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

      Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
      I still predict he is cut and Ben Uzoh or Andrew Goudelock get picked up(or more likely a trade). Uzoh is a plus defender but his offense is terrible(although has improved this season). Goudelock fits what we do on offense I wouldn't be surprised to see him in a Pacers uni.


      also is Chris Douglus Roberts a cancer or something? He is better than a lot of the end of the bench players in the league. I bet he will be this years Gerald Green. Watched him score an efficient 50 for Eddie Najera(gets award for most fit coach) few weeks back and he is getting 30 almost every game I watch him. He isnt getting a cheap 30 either he looks much improved from his younger days.
      I REALLY don't get how CDR can't stick on a team either. He can flat out score the ball, and he's proven to be able to do it in the NBA too. I wanted to pick him up before we got Green, if things don't get better it'd probably be a good idea to take a look at him to replace Young.

      Still can't figure out what the Lakers were thinking, he'd instantly be their best player on the bench.

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      • Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

        CDR's Rashad McCant's 2.0. That's why he can't stick. Disillusioned guy that needs to learn that in the NBA players have roles and sometimes they're very small roles. You ain't at Memphis anymore.

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        • Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

          The demotion of DJ is not surprising. However, I believe that the problem of the bench lies on the tempo they are playing. DJ, Green, Tyler and Mahinmi can run fast for transition baskets. They aren't so dependable on half-court sets. I think they should be utilized using their strength of speed.

          There's no harm in letting Ben play. It's not that much of a risk. but maybe with this promotion it will inspire Ben enough for him to be a dependable backup.

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          • Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            Funny that some people really believe that Mcbob is more than just an scrub I wonder how long more until they realize that? the guy is garbage nothing else, I still remember the people that thought he was going to get at least MLE
            I haven't seen anybody say much about him other than he's better than Tyler, which was true when they were on the Pacers, and is still true today.

            He also got the full mini-MLE from LA, which was the most they could offer. How do you know he didn't take less to go there?

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            • Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

              Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
              I still predict he is cut and Ben Uzoh or Andrew Goudelock get picked up(or more likely a trade). Uzoh is a plus defender but his offense is terrible(although has improved this season). Goudelock fits what we do on offense I wouldn't be surprised to see him in a Pacers uni.


              also is Chris Douglus Roberts a cancer or something? He is better than a lot of the end of the bench players in the league. I bet he will be this years Gerald Green. Watched him score an efficient 50 for Eddie Najera(gets award for most fit coach) few weeks back and he is getting 30 almost every game I watch him. He isnt getting a cheap 30 either he looks much improved from his younger days.
              I always liked CDR.
              "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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              • Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

                Originally posted by 15th parallel View Post
                The demotion of DJ is not surprising. However, I believe that the problem of the bench lies on the tempo they are playing. DJ, Green, Tyler and Mahinmi can run fast for transition baskets. They aren't so dependable on half-court sets. I think they should be utilized using their strength of speed.

                There's no harm in letting Ben play. It's not that much of a risk. but maybe with this promotion it will inspire Ben enough for him to be a dependable backup.
                I have to agree. The bench has been bad for a couple of years now, but no way they should be this bad. Tyler, as much as I hate him, should be decent. Green should be an above average bench guy along with Ian. DJ should at least be decent too.

                I think coaching has been a huge issue all season. Vogel is getting exposed now that other teams have improved and are healthy. And he's taking a long time to make adjustments.
                First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                • Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

                  Originally posted by pezhan View Post
                  If Ben is not good as DJ, maybe FV can try let DJ start.
                  Let DJ has a better teammates, Hill goes to backup PG but has starting lineup minutes.
                  We should give DJ more chances, don't give up him so quickly.
                  Wait, so since DJ has struggled off the bench you would demote Hill from the starting lineup? That sort of takes the whole "it isn't his fault it's the people around him" thing to a brand new level.

                  Tell ya what, if you really strongly believe that, let's try subbing out Hill for DJ with the other starters still on the floor and see what happens. Not that I think it will change that much, but it's better than benching Hill for DJ's issues.
                  BillS

                  A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                  Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                  • Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

                    Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                    I always liked CDR.
                    couldn't Green work out as a PF? He'd abuse PFs with his speed and hops. CDR could then be the backup 3.

                    CDR def has skills. He can score. The bench needs someone that can score. Seems like a good fit to me.
                    First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                    • Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

                      Originally posted by pezhan View Post
                      Just wait and see. If Ben can't be better than DJ, we don't loss anything.
                      If Ben is not good as DJ, maybe FV can try let DJ start.
                      Let DJ has a better teammates, Hill goes to backup PG but has starting lineup minutes.
                      We should give DJ more chances, don't give up him so quickly.
                      There is a reason Hill is starting. The starting unit is one of the best defensive units in the league. Not to mention they can score.

                      The bench constantly blows leads and builds big deficits, which then puts even more pressure on the starting unit.

                      Hill is a starter in this league. DJ simply isn't and now he is looking like he shouldn't be in the NBA. I do think coaching is an issue and that Vogel isn't utilizing the guys on the bench correctly.
                      First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                      • Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

                        Hope it's been more Ben impressing the coaching staff in practice than DJ's lack of production in the game. Excited to see what Ben can do tonight. Gotta be cool playing with your brother in the NBA, should be fun when there's a loose ball.
                        Forever struggling to convince myself "In Larry we trust"
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                        • Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

                          No one on our bench seems to want to create for anyone other than themselves - in my opinion, that's their problem.

                          While I'm more than happy to see DJ demoted - because he seems like he'd rather be doing anything other than playing backup PG for the Pacers - I'm not sure Ben will necessarily fix that issue. He will at least bring the passion and effort - which fans always enjoy.
                          Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team. -- Scottie Pippen

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                          • Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

                            Originally posted by mitchbr View Post
                            Hope it's been more Ben impressing the coaching staff in practice than DJ's lack of production in the game.
                            I think it's safe to say that is not the case.
                            "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

                            -Lance Stephenson

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                            • Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

                              Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
                              I think it's safe to say that is not the case.
                              Exactly. The only thing keeping DJ from being the worst signing of recent memory is the length of his contract.

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                              • Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

                                Originally posted by Trophy View Post
                                On a side note, 2K13 needs to add Ben to the game.
                                Now we are talking.
                                "I think the people that may have questions about him will say wait a minute, why wasn't he more dominant at Fresno State? He's a maturing player, a guy that's figuring it out and you know when you're considering drafting guys that have been freshman and all that stuff. He's got the potential to get better and better and better." - Jay Bilas on PG on draft night.

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