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    Not surprising. Funny how there's a thread about giving Ben a chance and one about how bad Augustin's issues
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    I hope it works, but I won't be surprised if it doesn't.

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    I hope it works, but I won't be surprised if it doesn't.

    The Augustin experiment has failed so why not try. I hope they give Ben 20 games and not one or two as some
    have advocated before passing judgement. I am hoping to at least see a little fire and enthusiasm.
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    I hope it works, but I won't be surprised if it doesn't.
    Everyone thought Augustin would work and it did not and now everyone thinks Ben will not so maybe it will.

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    I hope it works, but I won't be surprised if it doesn't.
    How will you be able to tell if it doesn't work? Will the shooting, passing, offense and defense somehow get worse?

    I came "this" close to going up to Pritchard in GSW and talking to him about the surprising disappointment of Augustin (he was about 4 rows behind us).


    I liked Ben at ND and believe in his "gamer" intangibles at the PG spot. He's more Woody/JJack than physically gifted, but that can work if you are talking 2nd string, limited minutes and lower expectations. I feel like Ben has always shown an understanding of what is needed from him on the court in varied circumstances.

    At worst he'll be terrible on defense, ice cold on shooting and completely stifled whenever he tries to execute the most basic PnR, and he'll still cost less than DJ. How's that hurt?

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    How will you be able to tell if it doesn't work? Will the shooting, passing, offense and defense somehow get worse?
    Good point, I didn't clarify that when I say i hope it works, it working means there is an improvement. If there is no noticeable difference then it didn't work. If Ben is able to just shoot 40%, or just play mediocre defense it has worked, while not turning the ball over.

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    Good point, I didn't clarify that when I say i hope it works, it working means there is an improvement. If there is no noticeable difference then it didn't work. If Ben is able to just shoot 40%, or just play mediocre defense it has worked, while not turning the ball over.
    I agree and this is my expectation. I think ball movement and general floor movement will be better because Ben has shown a great sense for that. I think he will pick his shots a bit better, or at least be able to execute some of the mids better, and thus will be able to keep a 43% range 2pt game. All of that should pan into a couple of assists. Not beauties with gifted touch or nasty xover shake and bakes, but DJ wasn't utilizing his own handles very well so that's a moot issue.

    Ben should be a bit more of a gamer on defense, especially off the initial PG attack, and should be able to slow people up enough to actually get some help there in time. Plus he'll have much better defensive awareness which should result in some helpful block outs or return pass coverage against the man who the helper had to leave (DJ just leaves the help defender out to dry often).


    If they could get Gerald more of the iso setups and let Young focus on floating for scraps and defense they should be able to step up some of the bench offense a bit.

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    How will you be able to tell if it doesn't work? Will the shooting, passing, offense and defense somehow get worse?

    I came "this" close to going up to Pritchard in GSW and talking to him about the surprising disappointment of Augustin (he was about 4 rows behind us).


    I liked Ben at ND and believe in his "gamer" intangibles at the PG spot. He's more Woody/JJack than physically gifted, but that can work if you are talking 2nd string, limited minutes and lower expectations. I feel like Ben has always shown an understanding of what is needed from him on the court in varied circumstances.

    At worst he'll be terrible on defense, ice cold on shooting and completely stifled whenever he tries to execute the most basic PnR, and he'll still cost less than DJ. How's that hurt?
    Thats likley what he will be IMO and if thats the case he will be cut. DJ is a sunk cost while Ben is not if he is at DJ's level which is likely IMO he is cut. Im guessing this move is coming from the FO just to decide weather to keep Ben or not which isnt a bad play at all with how bad DJ has been. If Ben surprises we have a cheap backup who is going to stay if he is about as bad as DJ (which is likely) he goes.

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    Interesting...

    A change was definitely needed at the backup PG spot.

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    Augustin should get an atlas for Christmas and use the holidays to make himself familiar with basketball teams in southern Europe.

    Good luck Ben, can't get any worse, can it?

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    This isn't a big surprise and it was only a matter of time. If Hansbrough doesn't get the job done, they need to shop for a replacement at the trade deadline..... ...

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    HAPPY!

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    Hans may yet be playing for us next year.
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    Now, take the lesser Hansbrough out of the lineup and we may have something.

    I don't even know if that is a joke.
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    Maybe Ben and Tyler will have great chemistry and dominated opposing benches. haha

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    Hopefully we can move DJ at the deadline.

    I wish it wouldve worked. Unfortunately it didnt, and its time both sides move on.
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    Hopefully we can move DJ at the deadline.

    I wish it wouldve worked. Unfortunately it didnt, and its time both sides move on.
    Between him and Tyler that is about $7 million in cap relief. Maybe we can find ourselves a slightly overpriced back-up PF.

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    On a side note, 2K13 needs to add Ben to the game.

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    On a side note, 2K13 needs to add Ben to the game.
    If they do he'll probably have some computerized face and look nothing like he does in real life. It's also likely he'll have like a 52 overall...

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    On a side note, 2K13 needs to add Ben to the game.
    Now we are talking.

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    Now we no why Ben wasn't moved to the D league.
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    I'm not mad about it, it just kinda sucks for D.J. This will either inspire him to step his game up or it could cost him his NBA career... Weird how close he and T.J. Ford are and how similarly their situations have panned out here. D.J. has went through it a lot faster though obviously.

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    I don't expect much from Ben, but Augustin has been beyond horrible so I doubt it can be much worse. I will probably never understand what is going on with Augustin, he's better than he's shown. Plus he's on a 1 year contract, so I just don't understand. I have seen Frank very frustrated a lot by Augustin's play.

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    I don't expect much from Ben, but Augustin has been beyond horrible so I doubt it can be much worse. I will probably never understand what is going on with Augustin, he's better than he's shown. Plus he's on a 1 year contract, so I just don't understand. I have seen Frank very frustrated a lot by Augustin's play.
    The contract year angle makes the uninspired play a lot more confounding. To me DJ literally looks stumped by the game, like the Vogel gameplan just confuses him. So many PnRs where he just gets trapped to the side with no ability to make a return pass to the roll/pop player and no ability to make effective penetration (ie, can get a shot or pass out of it).

    Hill should not be a better passer than DJ, but he has been.

    He's wrecking his own career. I feel bad seeing it happen because I don't dislike him and was really happy that he was signed. But in the end you've got to produce to win the fans and the PT.

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