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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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Struggling Pacer Roy Hibbert expects to live up to $58M deal, surpass Dwight Howard as top center

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  • #16
    Re: Struggling Pacer Roy Hibbert expects to live up to $58M deal, surpass Dwight Howard as top center

    I just don't get how he misses so many 2 and 3 foot hook shots. This is an NBA player we are talking about. If it were me I would be in the gym 5 hours a day until they became automatic.

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    • #17
      Re: Struggling Pacer Roy Hibbert expects to live up to $58M deal, surpass Dwight Howard as top center

      Or he could learn to dunk. 3 feet out, he's 7'2" that should be a powerful man dunk every time.

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      • #18
        Re: Struggling Pacer Roy Hibbert expects to live up to $58M deal, surpass Dwight Howard as top center

        Originally posted by gummy View Post
        I don't want to hear it. I want to see it.
        yep- me too. he needs to let his actions do the talking in this case- not his mouth.
        as someone else mentioned, when he gets the offensive rebounds- i want him to kick it out unless he is close and has his balance to go up for a jam. i am tired of the hurried, wimpy, off balance lob/chuck shots that miss 75% of the time.

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        • #19
          Re: Struggling Pacer Roy Hibbert expects to live up to $58M deal, surpass Dwight Howard as top center

          It would be one thing if Roy were seeking out interviews specifically just to talk about this stuff.

          Of course, I don't know definitively, but these comments were likely made because the interviewer brought up the topic.

          I just don't think it's fair to get on Roy's case because he is honest and blunt when interviewed.

          He knows he is playing bad. He knows he can be one of the best in the league. He is trying to get there.

          What is he supposed to say to the interviewer when they ask about his struggles? "No comment, next question" ?

          We all know Roy is a very likable and personable guy. He talks to fans on Twitter about his game for goodness sake. He's never been the type to fluff an interview or shy away from questions. I think that's all this is.

          Very different from JO's quotes. And I say that as one of the few folks here who still really loves JO and misses him.

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          • #20
            Re: Struggling Pacer Roy Hibbert expects to live up to $58M deal, surpass Dwight Howard as top center

            I know he does need to learn to get it back up without bring the ball down to waist level all the time. That's when he gets it stripped. If you are over 7 foot tall you shouldn't have to gather yourself before throwing it down.

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            • #21
              Re: Struggling Pacer Roy Hibbert expects to live up to $58M deal, surpass Dwight Howard as top center

              Originally posted by presto123 View Post
              I just don't get how he misses so many 2 and 3 foot hook shots. This is an NBA player we are talking about. If it were me I would be in the gym 5 hours a day until they became automatic.
              I agree! That is what he should be doing!!!

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              • #22
                Re: Struggling Pacer Roy Hibbert expects to live up to $58M deal, surpass Dwight Howard as top center

                I don't see anything wrong with him making it his goal to be the best center in the NBA. It's a very high goal, but it's not unattainable for him. For a guy who has no problem putting in extra work, having a goal set that high is a good thing because to attain it he's going to have to keep putting in that work throughout his career.
                Time for a new sig.

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                • #23
                  Re: Struggling Pacer Roy Hibbert expects to live up to $58M deal, surpass Dwight Howard as top center

                  Congratulations to Roy for continuing to try to break through the mental blocks that must be in his path.

                  At the same time, shame on the Pacers for not providing Roy with more help in the form of a big man coach who could teach him the fundamentals and tools necessary to establish a more powerful base in the low post, as well as encouraging him to get a little beefier so that guys with lower centers of gravity could no longer push him away from the basket and affect his shots with incidental contact down low.

                  Roy wants to get better for both himself and us as fans, as well as to feel like he is earning his contract. I wish him nothing but the best in his struggles to do just that.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Struggling Pacer Roy Hibbert expects to live up to $58M deal, surpass Dwight Howard as top center

                    Originally posted by presto123 View Post
                    I just don't get how he misses so many 2 and 3 foot hook shots. This is an NBA player we are talking about. If it were me I would be in the gym 5 hours a day until they became automatic.
                    The guys playing defense get paid too (maybe not as much as Roy, but paid nonetheless) and are NBA players as well.

                    As for being in the gym, Roy is by all accounts a pretty hard worker so I doubt lack of practice has anything to do with it.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Struggling Pacer Roy Hibbert expects to live up to $58M deal, surpass Dwight Howard as top center

                      Boylan is a big man coach. Roy has already molded his body to where most of the time people cannot push him off his spot, either. The dude is just awkward. And he gets impatient. And he mentally gets down easily.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Struggling Pacer Roy Hibbert expects to live up to $58M deal, surpass Dwight Howard as top center

                        Originally posted by MAStamper View Post

                        he gets impatient. And he mentally gets down easily.

                        This is why Hibbert will never be better than Howard. Not to mention he doesn't have the strength and overall talent Howard has.

                        I commend Hibbert wanting to be the best Center, but you have to have more than desire and a good work ethic. Those 2 things can only get him so far.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Struggling Pacer Roy Hibbert expects to live up to $58M deal, surpass Dwight Howard as top center

                          Strong words for Roy, but he has to back them up. The league's best center brings it every night with consistency.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Struggling Pacer Roy Hibbert expects to live up to $58M deal, surpass Dwight Howard as top center

                            Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                            This is why Hibbert will never be better than Howard. Not to mention he doesn't have the strength and overall talent Howard has.

                            I commend Hibbert wanting to be the best Center, but you have to have more than desire and a good work ethic. Those 2 things can only get him so far.
                            Howard has his own issues. He's just much more physically gifted/coordinated than Roy.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Struggling Pacer Roy Hibbert expects to live up to $58M deal, surpass Dwight Howard as top center

                              Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                              Reminds me of Jermaine O'Neal. The great players don't have to talk about being great. They "just do it".
                              No. Roy says he "wants" to "work" to "get to" that point, acknowledging he has a ways to go to get there.

                              JO would say he was glad to be "back" to "top form" then fail to back it up.

                              HUGE difference.
                              BillS

                              A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                              • #30
                                Re: Struggling Pacer Roy Hibbert expects to live up to $58M deal, surpass Dwight Howard as top center

                                I wish Roy Hibbert was as good as Jermaine O'neal was his first 7 years as a Pacer, people knock JO but aside from being injury prone he was a FAR BETTER player than Roy WILL EVER BE.

                                JO went to more All Star games than any other Pacer NBA player including Reggie. I get sick of people knocking JO as never backing up his words. He produced 20ppg , 10rebounds and over 2 blocks per game on average for 6 straight years 2002-07. Everyone knocks his fade away jumper and low field goal % he never shot below 43.4% in any of those years.

                                JO is so unappreciated by Pacer fans it is unreal. Let me know when Roy earns the right to be compared to JO because he sure hasn't yet. After JO signed his huge contract his overall game did not regress as Roy's has. Injuries eventually are what robbed JO of his game.

                                Roy will never be mentioned in the same breathe as the top NBA players . Roy is what he is a slightly above average NBA player making max money. Inside JO could finish with either hand, Roy is 3 inches taller and seldom even dunks his rebounds preferring to toss them up and hope the 38% fg pct bares that out
                                Last edited by diamonddave00; 12-09-2012, 01:40 PM.

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