“People talk about how quiet he [McKey] is, but he’s really been helpful. He gives a lot of insight to players in how to guard certain teams and what their weaknesses are. The whole team listens to him, and it makes my job a lot easier. Having players like him is what pro basketball is all about for me.” —Larry Brown
I like Mahinmi the person but I don't like the player, his contract is still too big for my liking.
By the way Lopez average right now is 12 and 5 do I think Mahinmi can average that much in Roy's place? Hell no.
Last edited by vnzla81; 12-06-2012 at 10:35 PM.
Edit: Augustin is paid almost as much as Ian. That makes Ian a bargain.
Ian's the only guy of the three big offseason acquisitions who's meeting expectations for me. I don't know if you can cure the kind of butter fingers he's got. But, if so, he could actually be a really nice player.
I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.
Neither one of those guys have the capability to start or replace Roy in case he gets hurt, there is a reason why West plays center at time, yes Ian is a bit better than those guys but he is still not worth 4mil a year.
Just so you know Lopez got 3 and 15 and he is capable of replacing any center in the league while Ian can't do that.
Mahinmi is giving us exactly what $4M big men are worth in the NBA - the stats and salaries are facts. I just think your expectations are slightly high. Prime example - Taj Gibson is giving Chicago 6 and 4 off the bench and just got $8M/year.
Also, small sample, but in the 1 game Mahinmi did play starter minutes, he gave us 11 and 6.
Last edited by purdue101; 12-06-2012 at 10:56 PM.
Here is a list of guys that I can come up with:
Reggie Evans 1.3mil a year, pretty much an steal at that price.
Andray B 800k
Kaman, 8mil for one year.
Ryan Hollins 1.1mil.
Jordan Hil 3.5mil
Dalembert 6.7mil for one year.
Greg Stiemsma, 2.5mil.
Jason Smith, 2.5mil
Rasheed Wallace 1.3mil
Kurt Thomas 1.3mil
Nick Collison 2.9mil
Hawes 6.5 for two years.
This are just some examples but I can keep going, the point is that there was not reason to overpay for Ian.
Note: I'm not looking at their production now but I believe that in the same position as Ian a lot of them can produce the same for less(for those that make less).
Last edited by vnzla81; 12-06-2012 at 11:36 PM.
I guess I don't understand what a backup center is supposed to be averaging. In 15 minutes per he's averaging 5 points, 3.5 boards, and 1 block per game. He does foul too much but he also gets in there and alters a lot of shots. And frankly Ian creates less contact than Hibbert on most of the fouls he is called for. Just watch him, he plays good PnR defense and protects the rim.
And he's doing it playing alongside defensive savants DJ Augustin, Gerald Green, Tyler Hansbrough, and David West.
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I didn't move the guyswhose production didn't match up to Ian's, but if I did there would have been only a few guys left in your original list. And if you also require that they need to have the same defensive presence as Ian it goes down further. And let's not pretend that Indiana is a hot ticket for veteran guys that are on their last legs. They want to be on teams where they can use their veteran awareness to make up for their lack of mobility utiltizing space that only superstars can create. Not every player is available to every team.
"We've got to be very clear about this we don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.
Taj - 6 & 5 - $8M
Hawes - 7 & 5 - $6.5M
Amir J - 7 & 5 - $6.5M
Dalembert - 6 & 5 - $6M
Collison - 6 & 4 - $5M (Average w/ balloon payment)
Speights - 6 & 5 - $4.2M
Mahinmi - 5 & 4 - $4M
Hill - 6 & 5 - $3.5M
Mozgov - 4 & 5 - $3.1M
McRoberts - 4 & 4 - $3M
When looking at blocks/min, Mahinmi is atop this list. Mahinmi is right where he should be salary wise.
Last edited by purdue101; 12-07-2012 at 12:04 AM.