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    Default 3-pointer: Darren Collison disappoints again. ESPN Dallas

    I agree he was garbage last night, same old DC, can't pass or create for others and sucks on D.


    3-pointer: Darren Collison disappoints again

    Let’s just say Darren Collison didn’t do anything in Los Angeles to convince Rick Carlisle that it was a bad idea to give away the point guard’s starting job.

    A moment early in the fourth quarter illustrated why the Mavs can’t trust Collison to run their team. His sloppy, careless pass was easily intercepted by Matt Barnes, leading to a fast-break opportunity for the Clippers that Barnes finished with a layup.

    Carlisle responded by calling a timeout. The reason he wanted the break was to bench Collison, who was replaced by Dominique Jones with the Mavs trailing by 21 points.

    Collison got back off the bench for garbage time. He committed another turnover on his first possession after checking back into the game.

    Collison padded his point total during garbage time, but his line in the box score was still butt ugly: eight points, two assists, two rebounds, four fouls and five turnovers in 18 minutes. The Mavs were outscored by 24 with him on the floor, the worst plus-minus of any player.

    By contrast, Fisher was the only Mav who finished with a positive plus-minus. Dallas outscored the Clippers by two points in Fisher’s 25 minutes, with the 38-year-old point guard scoring 15 points on 5-of-11 shooting.
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    I agree he was garbage last night, same old DC, can't pass or create for others and sucks on D.



    http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/b...73&city=dallas
    I would still trade DJ for him.

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    Default Re: 3-pointer: Darren Collison disappoints again. ESPN Dallas

    Honestly, the best thing that could happen for DC is for Nowitzki to get healthy.

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    Honestly, the best thing that could happen for DC is for Nowitzki to get healthy.
    Wouldn't that be the best thing for any player on Dallas period?

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    I would still trade DJ for him.
    Eh, I won't say that until DJ leads a fast break, gets to the cup, jumps in the air and throws the ball away three times in a game.

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    looks like his ceiling is a good backup PG, which really isn't all that bad considering his height.

    I'll always respect him for being a class act and trying his best at the very least.

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    Wouldn't that be the best thing for any player on Dallas period?
    Not all. Vince Carter won't be able to pretend his wrist is injured after missing a contested jumper if Dirk is taking his shots away.

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    Wouldn't that be the best thing for any player on Dallas period?
    True, but I think the pick and roll action of DC and Nowitzki with OJ on the weakside is their best offensive set. Unless of course they've decided that they want Mayo long-term and will are okay with Fisher running the ball up the court, giving it up to Mayo or Dirk, then running the baseline from corner to corner.

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    I would still trade DJ for him.
    Seriously, DJ and a 2nd for DC.

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    I would still trade DJ for him.
    Big deal. I would trade them both, together, plus a second round draft choice, for Jarrett Jack.

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    I would still trade DJ for him.
    I would trade Mahinmi and DJ for him and I am a DC hater

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    Default Re: 3-pointer: Darren Collison disappoints again. ESPN Dallas

    Even Reggie is commenting on this.


    @ReggieMillerTNT: It's never good when you have to go and sign a 38yr old point guard (Fisher) to replace your 25yr old (Collison).

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    I would trade Mahinmi and DJ for him and I am a DC hater
    Of course you'd trade one of the better backup centers in the league for a guy being replaced by Derek Fisher and Dominique Jones. Brilliant.

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    Big deal. I would trade them both, together, plus a second round draft choice, for Jarrett Jack.
    GSWs are not trading their insurance on Curry's gank ankle.

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    GSWs are not trading their insurance on Curry's gank ankle.
    True. I'm just making a statement regarding how little I value Collison AND DJ..... or how much I'd welcome Jack back, depending on one's POV.

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    Default Re: 3-pointer: Darren Collison disappoints again. ESPN Dallas

    I rather get Calderon, a second round pick plus DJ for him can probably do it.

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    The problem here is that Collison is NOT a PG. I've never seen so many people wrong. Even Dallas thought he was a PG. He is a 6 foot nothing SG. He can dribble some, yes. He should be coming off the bench and would have been fantastic next to Lance Stephenson who could guard the other SG. Collison is a very good player, just not a PG. Finally more people are learning that. Whew...

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    Of course you'd trade one of the better backup centers in the league for a guy being replaced by Derek Fisher and Dominique Jones. Brilliant.
    Ian is a valuable player. For the Pacers, he may be more valuable than Collison as long as Paul George stays aggressive. Collison filled a need last year making tough baskets. That is where we might miss him. Paul needs to step into that role fully or we will miss Darren in the playoffs.

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    Well, there's the difference between Carlisle and Vogel. It took Rick a month to figure out that Collison is fool's gold. It took Vogel almost a year.

    Hopefully, that's just experience, and Frank will get better.
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    I would trade Mahinmi and DJ for him and I am a DC hater
    Ian's killing it lately, he's playing like he did in preseason. Why are you still down on him? If he continues playing like this he's a bargain.

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    Well, there's the difference between Carlisle and Vogel. It took Rick a month to figure out that Collison is fool's gold. It took Vogel almost a year.

    Hopefully, that's just experience, and Frank will get better.
    Actually, I'm going the other way on this. Carlisle is famous for maximizing his players, yet Vogel got far more out of Collision than Carlisle did.
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    Actually, I'm going the other way on this. Carlisle is famous for maximizing his players, yet Vogel got far more out of Collision than Carlisle did.
    Carlisle wanted him to actually play like a point guard.
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    I would trade Mahinmi and DJ for him and I am a DC hater
    Yes, Mahinmi struggled early on, but he's been very good lately and worth the money. I don't question his annual salary of $4M, I question the risk tied to the length of the contract, but if he continues to earn it, who cares. He may even improve and outplay the contract.

    Mareese Speights averaged similar numbers and received $4.2M per year. Robin Lopez received almost $5M per year after averaging 5pts 3 boards. He's having a great year this year, but he's getting starters mins - per 36 they are spot on to Mahinmi. Mozgov, Joel Anthony, McRoberts, Hawes, Koufos, Jordan Hill, etc. All these guys are averaging 3-7PPG and 3-5RPG and all are making $3-7M/year. Bigs always get paid more, always have, always will. The alternative is Joel Freeland or Lou Amundson as your backup C. You have to admit, Mahinmi has been pretty good the last 5 games. His defense is well above average.

    I agree with you on DJ (he's been terrible) and Green. I don't necessarily believe Green is overpaid league-wise (similar 7-10 PPG backup wings are making 3-6M/year), but he is overpaid for our team when you consider the emergence of Lance & Young. I would welcome a trade when Danny returns (Lance takes the backup SG spot). An ideal trade would have DJ/Green going out for a good backup PG who can score - Calderon, JJ Barea, Luke Ridenour, DC come to mind.

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    Vogel definitely got more out of Collison. But JOb got more out of Murphy. All this means is that better coaches don't let bad players continue starting.

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    It's easy to rag on a guy that's had a couple awful games (or weeks, as may be the case), but on the whole his stats still compare favorably with George Hill's:

    Collison: 12.1 PPG (.435 FG% / .318 3P%), 6.1 APG (2.5 TO), 2.2 RPG
    Hill: 14.6 PPG (.406 FG% / .326 3P%), 5.2 APG (1.8 TO), 3.9 RPG

    The Mavericks are 8-10 and the Pacers are 10-9. Both teams are missing their top players and it's debatable whose "supporting cast" is better. (I'd personally take the Pacers over the Mavs, probably even with Nowitzki, but that's just me). Now, I'm not saying I'd prefer DC (I wouldn't) or that George Hill has played poorly (he hasn't), but to call Collison "garbage" is clearly overstating the case. In the two seasons I've seen him play, he's proven two things to me: 1) he has talent, and 2) he's terribly inconsistent. He's playing ****** now, but he was playing pretty good at the beginning of the year - who's to say which is "the true Darren Collison"?

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