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    I agree he was garbage last night, same old DC, can't pass or create for others and sucks on D.


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    Let’s just say Darren Collison didn’t do anything in Los Angeles to convince Rick Carlisle that it was a bad idea to give away the point guard’s starting job.

    A moment early in the fourth quarter illustrated why the Mavs can’t trust Collison to run their team. His sloppy, careless pass was easily intercepted by Matt Barnes, leading to a fast-break opportunity for the Clippers that Barnes finished with a layup.

    Carlisle responded by calling a timeout. The reason he wanted the break was to bench Collison, who was replaced by Dominique Jones with the Mavs trailing by 21 points.

    Collison got back off the bench for garbage time. He committed another turnover on his first possession after checking back into the game.

    Collison padded his point total during garbage time, but his line in the box score was still butt ugly: eight points, two assists, two rebounds, four fouls and five turnovers in 18 minutes. The Mavs were outscored by 24 with him on the floor, the worst plus-minus of any player.

    By contrast, Fisher was the only Mav who finished with a positive plus-minus. Dallas outscored the Clippers by two points in Fisher’s 25 minutes, with the 38-year-old point guard scoring 15 points on 5-of-11 shooting.
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    I agree he was garbage last night, same old DC, can't pass or create for others and sucks on D.



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    I would still trade DJ for him.

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    I would still trade DJ for him.
    Eh, I won't say that until DJ leads a fast break, gets to the cup, jumps in the air and throws the ball away three times in a game.

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    I would still trade DJ for him.
    Seriously, DJ and a 2nd for DC.

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    I would still trade DJ for him.
    Big deal. I would trade them both, together, plus a second round draft choice, for Jarrett Jack.

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    Big deal. I would trade them both, together, plus a second round draft choice, for Jarrett Jack.
    GSWs are not trading their insurance on Curry's gank ankle.

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    GSWs are not trading their insurance on Curry's gank ankle.
    True. I'm just making a statement regarding how little I value Collison AND DJ..... or how much I'd welcome Jack back, depending on one's POV.

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    I rather get Calderon, a second round pick plus DJ for him can probably do it.

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    GSWs are not trading their insurance on Curry's gank ankle.

    BUT, he's a UFA this off season.

    Jarrett will command more than what he's presently making at 5.5 mil. I figure he'll get paid 6-7 mil by a team needing a starting PG.

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    BUT, he's a UFA this off season.

    Jarrett will command more than what he's presently making at 5.5 mil. I figure he'll get paid 6-7 mil by a team needing a starting PG.
    ...who will then realize he's one of the best back up Point Guards in the league.

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    Big deal. I would trade them both, together, plus a second round draft choice, for Jarrett Jack.

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    I would still trade DJ for him.
    I would trade Mahinmi and DJ for him and I am a DC hater

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    Even Reggie is commenting on this.


    @ReggieMillerTNT: It's never good when you have to go and sign a 38yr old point guard (Fisher) to replace your 25yr old (Collison).

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    I would trade Mahinmi and DJ for him and I am a DC hater
    Of course you'd trade one of the better backup centers in the league for a guy being replaced by Derek Fisher and Dominique Jones. Brilliant.

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    Of course you'd trade one of the better backup centers in the league for a guy being replaced by Derek Fisher and Dominique Jones. Brilliant.
    Ian is a valuable player. For the Pacers, he may be more valuable than Collison as long as Paul George stays aggressive. Collison filled a need last year making tough baskets. That is where we might miss him. Paul needs to step into that role fully or we will miss Darren in the playoffs.

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    I would trade Mahinmi and DJ for him and I am a DC hater
    Yes, Mahinmi struggled early on, but he's been very good lately and worth the money. I don't question his annual salary of $4M, I question the risk tied to the length of the contract, but if he continues to earn it, who cares. He may even improve and outplay the contract.

    Mareese Speights averaged similar numbers and received $4.2M per year. Robin Lopez received almost $5M per year after averaging 5pts 3 boards. He's having a great year this year, but he's getting starters mins - per 36 they are spot on to Mahinmi. Mozgov, Joel Anthony, McRoberts, Hawes, Koufos, Jordan Hill, etc. All these guys are averaging 3-7PPG and 3-5RPG and all are making $3-7M/year. Bigs always get paid more, always have, always will. The alternative is Joel Freeland or Lou Amundson as your backup C. You have to admit, Mahinmi has been pretty good the last 5 games. His defense is well above average.

    I agree with you on DJ (he's been terrible) and Green. I don't necessarily believe Green is overpaid league-wise (similar 7-10 PPG backup wings are making 3-6M/year), but he is overpaid for our team when you consider the emergence of Lance & Young. I would welcome a trade when Danny returns (Lance takes the backup SG spot). An ideal trade would have DJ/Green going out for a good backup PG who can score - Calderon, JJ Barea, Luke Ridenour, DC come to mind.

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    Yes, Mahinmi struggled early on, but he's been very good lately and worth the money. I don't question his annual salary of $4M, I question the risk tied to the length of the contract, but if he continues to earn it, who cares. He may even improve and outplay the contract.

    Mareese Speights averaged similar numbers and received $4.2M per year. Robin Lopez received almost $5M per year after averaging 5pts 3 boards. He's having a great year this year, but he's getting starters mins - per 36 they are spot on to Mahinmi. Mozgov, Joel Anthony, McRoberts, Hawes, Koufos, Jordan Hill, etc. All these guys are averaging 3-7PPG and 3-5RPG and all are making $3-7M/year. Bigs always get paid more, always have, always will. The alternative is Joel Freeland or Lou Amundson as your backup C. You have to admit, Mahinmi has been pretty good the last 5 games. His defense is well above average.

    I agree with you on DJ (he's been terrible) and Green. I don't necessarily believe Green is overpaid league-wise (similar 7-10 PPG backup wings are making 3-6M/year), but he is overpaid for our team when you consider the emergence of Lance & Young. I would welcome a trade when Danny returns (Lance takes the backup SG spot). An ideal trade would have DJ/Green going out for a good backup PG who can score - Calderon, JJ Barea, Luke Ridenour, DC come to mind.
    I like Mahinmi the person but I don't like the player, his contract is still too big for my liking.

    By the way Lopez average right now is 12 and 5 do I think Mahinmi can average that much in Roy's place? Hell no.
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    I like Mahinmi the person but I don't like the player, his contract is still too big for my liking.
    Out of curiosity...How much less do you expect a near 7ft, long and athletic b/u C to realistically make?

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    I like Mahinmi the person but I don't like the player, his contract is still too big for my liking.

    By the way Lopez average right now is 12 and 5 do I think Mahinmi can average that much in Roy's place? Hell no.
    I'm aware of Lopez's current production, which is why I referenced it (did you not read my post?) Remember though, he is getting starter minutes for the 4th worst team in the league. When Mahinmi started for Dallas, he actually averaged more rebounds (6 per game). His points were only 7 per game, however he took less shots then Lopez does now (their FG% was identical). So yes, he likely could average the same numbers for a terrible team

    Mahinmi is giving us exactly what $4M big men are worth in the NBA - the stats and salaries are facts. I just think your expectations are slightly high. Prime example - Taj Gibson is giving Chicago 6 and 4 off the bench and just got $8M/year.

    Also, small sample, but in the 1 game Mahinmi did play starter minutes, he gave us 11 and 6.
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    Mozgov

    I watched Mosgov play in the Denver game the other night. He hasn't been playing much this season with Koufos starting and McGee playing off the bench. I didn't think he was that bad for a reserve bench player. He's a Walsh player from the Knicks that came to Denver in the Melo trade.

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    I would trade Mahinmi and DJ for him and I am a DC hater
    I don't think I'd give up Ian for him. but DJ yeah....

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    I would still trade DJ for him.
    Was going to say this. DC would probably be cool with coming here and playing backup at this point.
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    Honestly, the best thing that could happen for DC is for Nowitzki to get healthy.

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    Honestly, the best thing that could happen for DC is for Nowitzki to get healthy.
    Wouldn't that be the best thing for any player on Dallas period?

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    Wouldn't that be the best thing for any player on Dallas period?
    Not all. Vince Carter won't be able to pretend his wrist is injured after missing a contested jumper if Dirk is taking his shots away.

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