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    Pretty simple question, where do you think Kobe should be rated at and why?

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    Top 7 or 8 at absolute worst. I could honestly put him fifth after Jordan, Magic, Bird, and Jabbar. I would assume that most people would still have Wilt and Russell ahead of him though.

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    1. Jordan
    2. Magic
    3. Bird
    4. Jabbar
    5. Wilt
    6. Kobe

    He could get to number 2 when it is all said and done.

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    1. Jordan



























    2. Magic
    3. Bird
    4. Russell
    5. Abdul-Jabbar
    6. Wilt
    7. Kobe with Duncan extremely close

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    The fact that Kobe has just one MVP is crazy. Shaq only has one too. Steve Nash has as many MVP's as Shaq and Kobe combined. Shaq should have definitely won the 04-05 one that Nash won. Shaq transformed the Heat into an elite team while the Lakers crumbled and missed the playoffs without him. Nash made the Suns great, but the Mavs were still an elite team without him. 04-05 Shaq was the epitome of an MVP in every sense.

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    1. Jordan
    2. Magic
    3. Bird
    4. Jabbar
    5. Wilt
    6. Kobe

    He could get to number 2 when it is all said and done.
    Strongly disagree. He'll never pass Bird or Magic.

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    3. (MJ, Wilt) It might be pushing it, but I think when it's all said and done, Kobe could end up #2. (Particularly if he gets one or more ring)

    I think the fact that people don't rate him in the top 5 automatically is crazy. I know he has some obvious flaws in his game, but Kobe often wins in ways only Kobe can.

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    I think by the end of their careers, it'll be:
    1. Jordan
    2. Kobe
    3. LeBron

    I'll admit thought I was young while Magic and Bird were nearing the end of their careers, and it's hard to compare PGs vs. wings vs. front-court players.

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    Yeah I'm not a Kobe fan but you have to admire the guy, his work ethic is amazing, I think he is at least in my top 5.

    MJ
    Will
    Kareem
    Magic
    Kobe

    Like other people said I think he has a chance to be number 2.

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    Well theres Magic and Bird who brought the game to the masses, then there is Jordan who took it to an unbelieveable level. Kobe almost can't pass them, there's just not as much to accomplish in the big picture to reach that level. I saw Bird and Magic their entire careers, just a whole other level on making players around them better and clutchness. Jordan was simple unbelieveable almost every night, played both ways. Kobe is great, but he'll never pass those 3 in my book, not even close. Guys like Wilt, Russell, are just before my time. Jabbar was an older version by the time I was watching. Hard to say. I will say those 3 were great, I put Jabbar a clear notch below Wilt and Russell, though.

    sooo

    MJ

    Bird/Magic

    Alot of other great players. Like Shaq, Hakeem, then probably Duncan (in retrospect, in a couple of years) Stockton, Malone in the conversation. Where's Barkley fall, he was unstoppable for awhile. I mean their could be an argument for 20 players in the next tier, I'd have Kobe towards the top of it, but a fair distance from the top 3, imo.

    PS I think Lebron will reach that next group fairly easily and should already be part of the conversation.

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    I don't put him as high as most others might in the all time conversation. I still feel like he's a chucker, who was fortunate enough to have the green light since the beginning of his career thanks to the early successes he had with Shaq. If you take each of these players at their absolute peak, and ignore the accumulated stats over however long their careers were there are sevarl players I would choose in a playground pickup game before Kobe. His career is built on longevity, similar to John Stockton. Here's my list in order...

    Legendary:
    -MJ
    -Wilt
    -Bill Russell
    -Kareem
    -Magic
    -Bird

    All Time Greats:
    -Tim Duncan
    -Hakeem
    -Shaq
    -Karl Malone
    -Kobe
    -Oscar Robertson
    -Moses Malone
    -David Robinson (member of the quad-double club)
    -Scottie Pippen
    -LeBron (Yeah, I hate him as much as anyone else, but let's face it he's special)
    -Stockton
    -Sir Charles
    -Ewing
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    Strongly disagree. He'll never pass Bird or Magic.
    In sentiment...no. As a career, one more ring might do it. And I hate the dude.

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    top 15
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    MJ
    Russell
    Bird
    LeBron
    Magic
    Hakeem
    KAJ
    Chamberlain
    West
    Shaq
    Kobe

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    Wow.... I think I am checking out of this discussion. Toodles!!! :

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    Behind Shaq.

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    Best I've ever seen considering I'm only able to remember the end of Jordan's career.

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    Strongly disagree. He'll never pass Bird or Magic.
    It's hard to pass ambassadors of the game. Which Magic and Bird, and later MJ were. But take that out of context, look at their games, longevity, their numbers and there's no way anyone can say that Kobe just CANNOT pass Magic or Bird. He's passed Bird in rings, and his numbers blow Magic's out of the water. Yes Kobe has gotten to play with Shaq, and later Pau, but those guys (Magic and Bird) played with HOF starting lineups throughout most of their careers. As Speed said, they brought the game to the masses. You can only do that once, and once you've done it, you're legacy is sealed no matter what anyone AFTER you has done. But that shouldn't diminish what Kobe has done.

    If Kobe wins one more ring his resume will read:

    6 rings, 30,000 plus points, 6500 rebounds, 6000 assists, 2000 steals, close to 1300 games, close to 250 (or 3 more NBA seasons). I mean you can hate him all you want, but don't deny his greatness due to your dislike of Kobe Bryant--the man. Kobe was essentially the first player within the post-Jordan era to not only have the hype as the "next great player" but to surpass the hype. He came into--and played in the league at a time where ESPN picked up some serious steam, and NBATV/NBA.COM was launched. This is a much different time than when Magic, Bird and even MJ played. Nowadays a player is being watched and or talked about nearly 24 hrs a day, on a DAILY basis. It's a lot easier to hate someone with all the media nowadays because of the never ending coverage.

    MJ
    Magic/Bird
    Kobe
    Wilt
    Kareem
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    9-15??

    I have
    Jordan,
    Chamberlain,
    Russell,
    Jabbar,
    Magic,
    Oscar,
    Bird, and
    Jerry West as my top 8.

    I'm fine to mix him somewhere in the next 7, with
    Hakeem,
    Moses Malone,
    Shaq,
    Lebron,
    Barkley,
    Isiah Thomas
    Kobe
    (but in any order you wish).

    I would put that bunch above the next cluster of
    Duncan,
    Karl Malone,
    Stockton,
    Ewing,
    Elgin Baylor,
    Elvin Hayes
    Bob Petit
    Bob Lanier

    by my count that's 23.

    I might be forgetting somebody
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    1. Jordan
    2. Magic
    3. Bird
    4. Jabbar
    5. Wilt
    6. Kobe

    He could get to number 2 when it is all said and done.
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    It's hard to pass ambassadors of the game. Which Magic and Bird, and later MJ were. But take that out of context, look at their games, longevity, their numbers and there's no way anyone can say that Kobe just CANNOT pass Magic or Bird. He's passed Bird in rings, and his numbers blow Magic's out of the water...

    MJ
    Magic/Bird
    Kobe
    Wilt
    Kareem
    I have to put him below Bird, a by a lot, just on skills.

    Who was a better shooter? Bird, easily
    Who was a better passer? Bird, easily
    Who excelled an another offensive category? Bird, rebounding

    Who was better defensively? Kobe

    Bird will get shortchanged in career numbers analysis, due to 5 years in college and a career-ending back problems
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    I'd rate him as a first ballot HOF'er. The number ranking is a little beyond where I want to go, as I don't feel my opinion is that set-in-stone about a large number of players.

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    He's maybe 10-15 for me. Maybe.
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    I have to put him below Bird, a by a lot, just on skills.

    Who was a better shooter? Bird, easily
    Who was a better passer? Bird, easily
    Who excelled an another offensive category? Bird, rebounding

    Who was better defensively? Kobe

    Bird will get shortchanged in career numbers analysis, due to 5 years in college and a career-ending back problems
    To me, and obviously this is all opinion, but when you talk about greats, its not as black and white as "who's a better shooter", etc.

    I mean hell Bird was a better shooter and passer than MJ and a wayyyy better shooter than Magic. (come to think about it--Bird is close to being the best shooter ever lol) Outside of Bird, most great scorer's aren't necessarily GREAT shooters. But if he played all three (including Kobe) in one on one, he probably loses. Obviously it's a team game--but you get what I'm saying.

    Rebounding--well Bird plays forward. Forwards rebound better than guards.

    Kobe is the not only the first, but he may be the ONLY high school to pros player that went on to have a legendary career. KG has had a HOF career no doubt, but he trailed off eventually. Kobe has been great for what, 10, 12 straight seasons now? He's been playing this long and hasn't slipped a bit. In fact, he's probably gotten better as his athleticism has eroded--which is unheard of for a guard.

    Like I said, IMO it's just hard to say "well he's the better shooter, he's the better passer" when it comes to greats.

    And I'm not saying he's better. ((Though I think he will be when it's all said and done))--I'm saying its debatable.
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    Kobe is the not only the first, but he may be the ONLY high school to pros player that went on to have a legendary career.
    There's this LeBron guy...
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