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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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  • #31
    Re: Paul George Tonight

    One possible wrinkle to how Paul does/does not get to the rim is that with his size and length, him getting a step or two inside the free throw line is akin to some little guards getting right in front of the rim, so long as he has a good look without a center waiting to swat him. Could be one of the reasons he doesn't kill himself to get right to the rim. Just a thought.

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    • #32
      Re: Paul George Tonight

      Almost 15 and 7 per game and good defense, what else can you hope from a guy that is only 22 years old? I'm good with Paul George so far.

      Now with that said I hope he stays agressive and starts to win more games for the Pacers, and for those that keep crying every time Paul George has a bad game just think about how much worse the Pacers could have done in that draft if they had drafted Udoh, Wesley J, Aminu or even Gordon Hayward instead of Paul George, just think about it, the guy was an steal at that position, redoing that draft he is at least top 6.
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      • #33
        Re: Paul George Tonight

        loosing 9 out of 10 to fill your wishes? Seems like you have a selfish fetish you want to fill up.
        Yes! We are all frustrated, But it takes time. If you read an article about Paul this offseason,
        He doesn't like to step on peoples toes. Ever since HS and ever since Fresno, It's just the nature
        of the beast. Not untill he was handed the keys from his team and coach is where the chains were
        broken.. Indiana basketball(Since it's no longer smash mouth) Is all about team ball, We don't rely
        on one single player.. Yes even when Danny was in there. We all want George to repeat this greatness,
        Because I like you know he can. Problem is!?!?! He hasn't been handed the keys to the team, and he's
        inconsistent. He has all the tools in the world, Size, Speed and world class athleticism. But this team has 2-3
        Alpha Dogs that will not give up the keys, West is clearly the leader of this team. Granger is our most
        potent weapon and the soul of this team. He sets the tempo with his trash talking and his toughness.
        George Hill also looks to create for himself. But If you want George to take 20-30 shots a game and us lose
        then you are liking the wrong team. Follow the Lakers.

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        • #34
          Re: Paul George Tonight

          Originally posted by Johanvil View Post
          The irony will be George becoming the player we all hope to be but on a different team.
          PG will be a restricted FA. At least we have the problem of having very good young player.

          Would you prefer to have drafted Wesley Johnson?

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          • #35
            Re: Paul George Tonight

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            Almost 15 and 7 per game and good defense, what else can you hope from a guy that is only 22 years old? I'm good with Paul George so far.
            15 and 7 in itself is great, but I wish it was more consistent. I feel like an actual 15 and 7 every game would help more than 0 one night and 34 the next (although the two times he has went off this year we needed it and barely won).
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            • #36
              Re: Paul George Tonight

              Originally posted by Deadshot View Post
              15 and 7 in itself is great, but I wish it was more consistent. I feel like an actual 15 and 7 every game would help more than 0 one night and 34 the next (although the two times he has went off this year we needed it and barely won).
              He is not the only one doing that though, West, Hill and him do that all the time, Hibbert is the only one that has been in sucking mode so he doesn't have multiple good games yet.
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              • #37
                Re: Paul George Tonight

                Originally posted by Deadshot View Post
                15 and 7 in itself is great, but I wish it was more consistent. I feel like an actual 15 and 7 every game would help more than 0 one night and 34 the next (although the two times he has went off this year we needed it and barely won).
                His rebounding is a bit inconsistent, but I would kind of expect that from a SG/SF. His scoring though is pretty consistent around 12. I believe his average last year was 12, but probably not even close to as consistent as it is this year. So far he has 6 games where he scored over 14, and 3 games where he scored under 11.

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                • #38
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                  Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                  If Reggie got to the line 23 times he probably took a lot more than 25 shots. You just don't see them because missed shots when fouled don't show up on the stat sheet. Otherwise you are right though, George needs to learn how to draw fouls. At the same time though it would be hypocritical of most of the Pacers fan base to not admit that Reggie was a benefactor in getting superstar calls, even against other superstars such as Jordan.
                  Another thing about Reggie was that, although he wasn't the greatest leaper or the strongest 2-guard, he was probably the fastest shooting guard in the league (maybe even all-time) of moving without the ball. Guys would often crash into him on the catch as they tried to keep up with him coming off of those curl, cuts, and screens. IMHO, he was much faster than Paul George is so he can't draw fouls quite the same way but he can learn to play through the contact or even initiate the way Reggie did. That and-1 play against Marko Bellinelli is the first time I remember seeing him drive into a player and through them to get his shot off.

                  If Paul could pattern his game off of any player in the NBA, I'd tell him to play like Paul Pierce in his prime.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Paul George Tonight

                    Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
                    Another thing about Reggie was that, although he wasn't the greatest leaper or the strongest 2-guard, he was probably the fastest shooting guard in the league (maybe even all-time) of moving without the ball. Guys would often crash into him on the catch as they tried to keep up with him coming off of those curl, cuts, and screens. IMHO, he was much faster than Paul George is so he can't draw fouls quite the same way but he can learn to play through the contact or even initiate the way Reggie did. That and-1 play against Marko Bellinelli is the first time I remember seeing him drive into a player and through them to get his shot off.

                    If Paul could pattern his game off of any player in the NBA, I'd tell him to play like Paul Pierce in his prime.
                    I know you're not saying that's the type of player Paul will become, but I don't think there's any way that Paul will ever be the consistent scorer/slasher that Paul has been throughout his career. Never once did a coach or a teammate have to tell Paul to shoot, or to attack.

                    I think we'll be lucky if Paul becomes a better shooting variation of Andre Iguodala--which he almost is already. Do it all type of player who is a lot better as a 2nd or 3rd option offensively. Maybe he'll prove me wrong (especially considering that Iggy's career high is only 34pts)

                    Maybe Paul is a more athletic version of the younger Danny Granger? who knows

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                    • #40
                      Re: Paul George Tonight

                      Paul George had a good game. I'm looking forward to more good games. To expect a great game every nite is a bit of a stretch. Pacers went 3-1 on a west coast trip, that is cause for celebration!
                      Go Pacers!

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                      • #41
                        Re: Paul George Tonight

                        I going on a limb and say that this is the start of his breakout. This limb may crack, but with so many up and downs of the season (and they are huge swings 0pts to 34?) I think he will be more consistent. We will see those 10pt and under games less, and see the 16 plus more frequently.

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                        • #42
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                          Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
                          I going on a limb and say that this is the start of his breakout. This limb may crack, but with so many up and downs of the season (and they are huge swings 0pts to 34?) I think he will be more consistent. We will see those 10pt and under games less, and see the 16 plus more frequently.
                          He has been averaging 16ppg in the past 8 games, and 17ppg in the past 6 games. Which is impressive considering he has a 6, 4, and 0 point games in within that time. It has probably been his highest period of average so far this season, but also his most inconsistent, as it has mostly consisted of high point and low point with very few in between.

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                          • #43
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                            I am obviously one of Paul's biggest supporters and with that being said, I completely agree. I didn't get to watch the whole game last night, but from what I did watch, he looked more like he wanted that game than any other game I've ever seen before. I could tell he wanted to win and I think the coaches giving him a hard time about having bad games will help him. I remember reading an article that I think was posted on here about Paul being hesitant to take over games because he doesn't want to be a ballhog or what have you. People need to tell him it's ok, just go out there and do what feels right. Get to the basket, pull up for a jumper in a defenders face with confidence, get to the line, etc... I would love if the coaches challenged him to just get double digits every game at the least.

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                            • #44
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                              Originally posted by MyFavMartin View Post
                              PG will be a restricted FA. At least we have the problem of having very good young player.

                              Would you prefer to have drafted Wesley Johnson?
                              What are you talking about?When did i say i would have preferred drafting someone else?
                              My concern is that he may opt for another team when his contract is up and then go on and fulfill his potential elsewhere(if he hasn't already done that with us).I know,too early thinking about that but just saying.
                              Never forget

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                              • #45
                                Re: Paul George Tonight

                                Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                                I know you're not saying that's the type of player Paul will become, but I don't think there's any way that Paul will ever be the consistent scorer/slasher that Paul has been throughout his career. Never once did a coach or a teammate have to tell Paul to shoot, or to attack.

                                I think we'll be lucky if Paul becomes a better shooting variation of Andre Iguodala--which he almost is already. Do it all type of player who is a lot better as a 2nd or 3rd option offensively. Maybe he'll prove me wrong (especially considering that Iggy's career high is only 34pts)

                                Maybe Paul is a more athletic version of the younger Danny Granger? who knows
                                I definitely can see the Iguodala comparison. I love Iggy's game.

                                I think he's developing okay. That zero point game was a real head-scratcher but at least it seemed to motivate him increase his intensity. I really don't think that Paul will ever be a superstar but if he can be as good as Iggy, I can live with that.

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