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    This thread will probably not come off the way I intend it to, with a lot of people, but I will post it anyway.

    Tonight pissed me off.

    The Pacers won, which is more important than anything for me, but overall I'm pissed. Maybe frustrated is a better word actually. This is the type of player we all knew Paul George could be....problem is, he could be this every game. Yet, we've only seen this Paul George 2-3 times all season. It pisses me off that he lets it come and go the way he does. He needs to be this assertive EVERY SINGLE GAME. If he isn't, its all a waste...I would rather loose 9 out of the next 10 games if Paul George stepped up and took over that role as go to player...it would suck, but in the long run, it would be great for this franchise. To have Paul George TEMPT us with games like this, or games like the other night, only to come out a few nights later and score 0 is maddening.

    A lot of people are happy with George tonight. I'm not. He should be doing this...or at the very least TRYING to do this every night...but he doesn't. His one good game doesn't make up for a season of being passive. A lot of comments were made in thread like "BET YOU DONT WANT TO TRADE HIM NOW!!111!1!one!!!1!!!"

    I never WANTED to trade Paul George, but if he plans on being a role player in his career, whats the point of keeping him? The Paul George we saw tonight is what we all expected of him all season long? Maybe not to the extent of 30+ points, but at least a go to scorer who appears to want to win. I find it frustrating that I can name 2 games all season long where I felt like Paul George wanted it.

    Do I want to trade him? No, this guy is our chance. But do I wanna give him props for trying? No. The reality is, he is capable of games like this, the fact that we've only seen it 2-3 times is irritating. Am I happy that we saw this, absolutely. Don't take this thread the wrong way - I loved what we saw from Paul George tonight, I simply don't want to make him the Pacers "savior" again when he hasn't proven he can keep that up.

    This thread seems negative and for that I apologize. I love this Pacers team and tonights win was great. I love Paul George...one of my favorite Pacers ever, maybe thats why I am so hard on him. But this game doesn't prove anything to me. Because until he can do it on a regular basis, its nothing more than a good game. Fred Jones had a 40+ game one night, doesn't make him an All-Star. We need this from Paul George EVERY NIGHT, and why I've lost so much faith in him, is because he knows it, yet constantly we see him not show up for games.

    Hopefully this is the game that changes everything, I'm just a little more hesitant than ya'll seem to be with jumping back on the "he will lead this franchise" bandwagon.

    Sorry for being Debby Downer...I don't like to be. But I just needed to say it.

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    I agree, this is the mentality he has to have every night. It just seems as if Paul George has been playing to fit into the system and tonight he played a little more selfish. I think we need Paul George to play a little more selfish. I think that he is capable of playing like this every night, because you could see a distinct difference in the way he was carrying himself tonight.
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    I agree, this is the mentality he has to have every night. It just seems as if Paul George has been playing to fit into the system and tonight he played a little more selfish. I think we need Paul George to play a little more selfish. I think that he is capable of playing like this every night, because you could see a distinct difference in the way he was carrying himself tonight.
    I really don't get the sense that Vogel is restricting him in any way whatsoever. He has the green light.

    Both before the game, and after the game, Vogel specifically said that he's done a poor job of getting PG early offensive looks.

    That to me says two things:

    1) Vogel wants him as a primary option of offense
    2) PG still is in his own head, and needs to succeed early to build self confidence

    He's young and he defers to the rest of his team when he starts off poorly offensively. It reminds me a lot of how Granger approached his game over the first few years. As you all know, Granger now has no problem jumping into the pole position offensively.

    Crossing my fingers, but my guess is that we'll see this evolution in PG as well.

    The thing that I find really special about Paul is that, during this season, if he doesn't get his shot going early, he almost always finds other ways to contribute heavily... whether it's mega rebounding or mega assisting.

    He's really got almost the entire package. He just needs to realize it and play through early struggles shooting.

    As others have said, he needs to learn to attack the basket and draw fouls.

    Once he has that skill, look out.

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    Paul George is not a consistent volume scorer and he doesn't have the ball handling skills or ability to finish around the rim to be a 25 ppg guy. Those 25 a night guys have a driving game that allows them to get to the line when their shot isn't falling. Paul George doesn't have that and never will, I don't think it has anything to do with him being scared or lazy.


    However, George is building a complete game, from defense to passing to rebounding, that means he will have an effect on the game even when his shot isn't falling. If you're waiting for him to be TMac then you'll never be happy. If you want him to be an important do-everything-guy on a deep playoff team then I think he's on the right path.

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    If you're waiting for him to be TMac then you'll never be happy.
    I guess some of us may have OTT expectations and we are probably wrong.BUT he has showed at times he can be a great scorer.Why does he not do it more often?Are we led to believe that these super performances are just fireworks/one night thing and nothing else?

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    I guess some of us may have OTT expectations and we are probably wrong.BUT he has showed at times he can be a great scorer.Why does he not do it more often?Are we led to believe that these super performances are just fireworks/one night thing and nothing else?
    The biggest impediment is that he can't drive and create contact, because he doesn't have a strong dribble or great first step. He's not an elite shooter so he's gonna have off nights from the field. When LeBron or Kobe or Durant have those off nights they can use their dribble to get in the lane and get fouled or get good shots. I just don't see that in George's skill set. Which in my opinion means he will probably be an 18-20 ppg guy who gets a lot of rebounds and assists and plays great defense and all his teammates love playing with him. I'm more than happy with that.

    People are maybe tricked by his highlight dunks into thinking that he can go over the top and dunk in traffic. His dunks aren't power dunks, they're technical dunks, meaning they don't translate well into games. He doesn't have a strong burst to the basket when he jumps off a drive so he ends up contorting in mid air and tries an acrobatic lay up.

    I don't think nights like he had against the Bulls are fireworks, they're just gonna go along with 10 point games just as often and he'll settle into an average in the high teens.

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    Paul George is not a consistent volume scorer and he doesn't have the ball handling skills or ability to finish around the rim to be a 25 ppg guy. Those 25 a night guys have a driving game that allows them to get to the line when their shot isn't falling. Paul George doesn't have that and never will, I don't think it has anything to do with him being scared or lazy.


    However, George is building a complete game, from defense to passing to rebounding, that means he will have an effect on the game even when his shot isn't falling. If you're waiting for him to be TMac then you'll never be happy. If you want him to be an important do-everything-guy on a deep playoff team then I think he's on the right path.
    Paul's handles have improved drastically this year. I think he can get there. We have struggeled and are right in the thick of things at 4th in the east, everyone needs to take a chill pill.
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    Paul's handles have improved drastically this year. I think he can get there. We have struggeled and are right in the thick of things at 4th in the east, everyone needs to take a chill pill.
    To be an elite perimeter scorer, which is what people are talking about here, you have to have near elite handles. I don't see George being that kind of player. I think he will be great, just in a different way.

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    To be an elite perimeter scorer, which is what people are talking about here, you have to have near elite handles. I don't see George being that kind of player. I think he will be great, just in a different way.
    As long as he is improving we should be happy. We will have to wait and see what he becomes.
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    I believe he really is trying. There are times where he attempts many shots. The problem really is the consistency of making it. Like what I said on other threads, we just need to be patient as consistency is not there yet. He's doing great on other areas, and right now he's "Andre Iguodala lite" if you look how he fills up the other areas of the stat sheet.

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    Maybe a bit less green light from the perimeter would usher in a more attacking style from Paul.

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    Maybe a bit less green light from the perimeter would usher in a more attacking style from Paul.
    He needs to get to the line more. He took 25 shots tonight and, while he knocked them down at a very good clip, only scored 34. He was only 4 FGA away from Reggie's career high FG attempted. Yet Reggie scored 57 that game because he got to the line 23 times. PG only had 5 free throw attempts. PG possess WAAAAY more athleticism than Reggie so you would expect him to have an easier time drawing fouls. Maybe he needs to look at some of Reggie's tricks and incorporate them into his game.

    Outside of his low free throw attempts, this was probably the best game of his proffessional career.

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    He needs to get to the line more. He took 25 shots tonight and, while he knocked them down at a very good clip, only scored 34. He was only 4 FGA away from Reggie's career high FG attempted. Yet Reggie scored 57 that game because he got to the line 23 times. PG only had 5 free throw attempts. PG possess WAAAAY more athleticism than Reggie so you would expect him to have an easier time drawing fouls. Maybe he needs to look at some of Reggie's tricks and incorporate them into his game.

    Outside of his low free throw attempts, this was probably the best game of his proffessional career.
    If Reggie got to the line 23 times he probably took a lot more than 25 shots. You just don't see them because missed shots when fouled don't show up on the stat sheet. Otherwise you are right though, George needs to learn how to draw fouls. At the same time though it would be hypocritical of most of the Pacers fan base to not admit that Reggie was a benefactor in getting superstar calls, even against other superstars such as Jordan.

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    If Reggie got to the line 23 times he probably took a lot more than 25 shots. You just don't see them because missed shots when fouled don't show up on the stat sheet. Otherwise you are right though, George needs to learn how to draw fouls. At the same time though it would be hypocritical of most of the Pacers fan base to not admit that Reggie was a benefactor in getting superstar calls, even against other superstars such as Jordan.
    Another thing about Reggie was that, although he wasn't the greatest leaper or the strongest 2-guard, he was probably the fastest shooting guard in the league (maybe even all-time) of moving without the ball. Guys would often crash into him on the catch as they tried to keep up with him coming off of those curl, cuts, and screens. IMHO, he was much faster than Paul George is so he can't draw fouls quite the same way but he can learn to play through the contact or even initiate the way Reggie did. That and-1 play against Marko Bellinelli is the first time I remember seeing him drive into a player and through them to get his shot off.

    If Paul could pattern his game off of any player in the NBA, I'd tell him to play like Paul Pierce in his prime.

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    Another thing about Reggie was that, although he wasn't the greatest leaper or the strongest 2-guard, he was probably the fastest shooting guard in the league (maybe even all-time) of moving without the ball. Guys would often crash into him on the catch as they tried to keep up with him coming off of those curl, cuts, and screens. IMHO, he was much faster than Paul George is so he can't draw fouls quite the same way but he can learn to play through the contact or even initiate the way Reggie did. That and-1 play against Marko Bellinelli is the first time I remember seeing him drive into a player and through them to get his shot off.

    If Paul could pattern his game off of any player in the NBA, I'd tell him to play like Paul Pierce in his prime.
    I know you're not saying that's the type of player Paul will become, but I don't think there's any way that Paul will ever be the consistent scorer/slasher that Paul has been throughout his career. Never once did a coach or a teammate have to tell Paul to shoot, or to attack.

    I think we'll be lucky if Paul becomes a better shooting variation of Andre Iguodala--which he almost is already. Do it all type of player who is a lot better as a 2nd or 3rd option offensively. Maybe he'll prove me wrong (especially considering that Iggy's career high is only 34pts)

    Maybe Paul is a more athletic version of the younger Danny Granger? who knows

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    It seems to me the coaching staff uses George in 1 of 2 ways game-to-game. 1) when the opposing teams best player is a 2/3, focus 100% on shutting him down and let Hill and West carry the offense... 2) when the opposing teams best player is not a 2/3, try to become more focal in the offense.

    Last night seemed like an anomaly. Not only was he trying to shut down Deng, he was trying to carry the load offensively. And he did a damn good job at it. It was obvious how gassed he was late, maybe that's why we didn't go to him on the last play. Regardless, I think it's up to the coaching staff to give him a more defined role, and it's up to George to become consistent in that role. We don't need PG to score 30 every game, but we go need him to give us around 15 points with shut down defense, which for the most part he is doing. His biggest problems are consistency and aggression, one which typically comes with age and the other you are born with. I believe being aggressive, or taking over a game, is not natural to Paul, and it's up to him to get past that. Hopefully last night was a breakthrough.

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    Best game for Paul ever in a Pacers uni. At several points in the game, I actually felt like the rest of the team wasn't hustling enough and I almost felt like bad for Paul as he was the only one giving his all. He put that game on his back. I hope the team recognizes this and rallies around him in a most positive way. I think this team can do this and hopefully other players can play with the same intensity here on out.
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    The best part about Paul's game tonight is he was able to score as much as he did while only attempting 3 - 3 pointers.

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    At first I felt this way. Then I realized that he is still young and inconsistency comes with that. He will average 16ppg at some point in his career. Derozan has taken awhile to develop some consistency, so we need to be patient. And we can afford to be patient.....if Danny can come back to form.

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    Pacers have a balanced offense - that is one of their strengths and their calling cards.

    I am not surprised at all that George's offensive production is inconsistant. Every player has to deal with that

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    Pacers have a balanced offense - that is one of their strengths and their calling cards.

    I am not surprised at all that George's offensive production is inconsistant. Every player has to deal with that
    I'm not sure about balance offense, maybe last year but this year they always need somebody to put up big numbers to win and for some reason when one player is playing well everybody else plays bad.

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    I am obviously one of Paul's biggest supporters and with that being said, I completely agree. I didn't get to watch the whole game last night, but from what I did watch, he looked more like he wanted that game than any other game I've ever seen before. I could tell he wanted to win and I think the coaches giving him a hard time about having bad games will help him. I remember reading an article that I think was posted on here about Paul being hesitant to take over games because he doesn't want to be a ballhog or what have you. People need to tell him it's ok, just go out there and do what feels right. Get to the basket, pull up for a jumper in a defenders face with confidence, get to the line, etc... I would love if the coaches challenged him to just get double digits every game at the least.

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    Paul is still figuring it out guys. Games like last night go a long way with things clicking for him. I saw him angry and determined last night. He can still develop that killer instinct that he showed last night.

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    Paul is still figuring it out guys. Games like last night go a long way with things clicking for him. I saw him angry and determined last night. He can still develop that killer instinct that he showed last night.
    I agree. PG is only 22. He's exactly where he needs to be. I believe in 2 years he'll be where most people expect him to be now.
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