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    Since you pay more attention to the defense than I do...I'll ask you.....what is the difference in the defense last year compared to this year?

    Other than Mahinmi and Young ( which makes a difference ), what are we doing now that we didn't do before?

    George Hill replacing Collison has made a huge difference. West is also better - he was coming off knee surgery. Roy is better too, and Paul George is more experienced and a little better especially team wise.

    But Hill replacing Collison is the big difference.

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    It's actually already won two games this season.
    It got us a good look this game as well, David just missed it

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    George Hill replacing Collison has made a huge difference. West is also better - he was coming off knee surgery. Roy is better too, and Paul George is more experienced and a little better especially team wise.

    But Hill replacing Collison is the big difference.
    I don't think that this is the reason since we didn't replace Collison with Hill. Hill started some late season games (when DC when injured) and also started in the playoffs.

    We replaced DC with Augustin. And I don't believe that this is a net gain.

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    It got us a good look this game as well, David just missed it
    I don't think West from just inside the 3 point line is all that great a percentage shot.
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    So, I was reading the Bulls forum over RealGM (I tend to read the game threads of our opponents a lot) and they said some interesting things.

    And here's some quotes that I found the most interesting:

    Someone as multifaceted as Luol isn't going to make 6 million, his value in this league is so much higher than that. It's insane to bring up the number 6 million considering everything this guy does.
    Tell me what he does other than play good defense, board well, and use the ugliest, not-even-efficient offensive arsenal in the league.
    Name 10 SF better than Deng right now.
    People who are definitely better than Deng:
    LeBron
    Durant
    Melo
    Pierce
    Gay
    Granger
    Iggy
    People who are definitely better than Deng:

    Gay
    Iggy


    Nope.



    And with the money they make, Deng no doubt.
    PS: Basically, a lot of them were angry towards Deng for not being a good enough offensive player to take the team on his back. They blamed him a lot (although, they blamed Boozer more). Well, it's always revealing to see how they see our players in regards to their own after a loss.

    Does it ring any bell?
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    Chicago fans won't even debate that Deng is better than Granger, yet Granger is constantly ranked below Iggy, Deng, and Gay by national writers.
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    I don't think that this is the reason since we didn't replace Collison with Hill. Hill started some late season games (when DC when injured) and also started in the playoffs.

    We replaced DC with Augustin. And I don't believe that this is a net gain.
    Collison started 56 games and missed only 6 games.

    Hill started only 9 games and missed a total of 16.

    so I stand by my earlier comments.

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    Collison started 56 games and missed only 6 games.

    Hill started only 9 games and missed a total of 16.

    so I stand by my earlier comments.
    I can certainly agree with this but our defense didn't really improve in the playoffs when Hill was the starter. I just believe that it's deeper than that.

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    I can certainly agree with this but our defense didn't really improve in the playoffs when Hill was the starter. I just believe that it's deeper than that.
    Well certainly that isn't the only reason. Also helps a lot that the players (or at least 4 out of 5 starters) are more familar with the system and playing with each other - that makes a big difference also.

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    I guess that assistant coach over defense needs to get more credit.

    (Exhibit A: the fact I can't remember his name.)
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    I guess that assistant coach over defense needs to get more credit.

    (Exhibit A: the fact I can't remember his name.)
    Isn't it Dan Burke?

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    Isn't it Dan Burke?
    I think its Boylen.
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    George Hill replacing Collison has made a huge difference. West is also better - he was coming off knee surgery. Roy is better too, and Paul George is more experienced and a little better especially team wise.

    But Hill replacing Collison is the big difference.
    Yeah...but we also added DJ to equation

    Outside of the Players...are we doing anything differently?

    I recall that there were several games where the Wing Players would literally swarm the guy with ball.....same thing when anybody gets into the paint. All I see is our super-long Players guarding the opposing Team Players with their hands in the air...not jumping or leaving the ground....essentially "blocking out the sun" like trees in a forest.
    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

    This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.

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    Just want to "special mention" the West to Lance play in the final seconds of the game. That is what I talked about in the other thread. They should draw up more plays for Lance to cut inside and try to make some backdoor plays. With his speed, build and ability to finish, that will surely be a very good percentage shot especially when they can't make anything from the perimeter. And with good passers in Hibbert and West, it shouldn't be a problem with delivering the ball to a cutting player.
    All the players on the floor and bench were really pumped on that play. I'm sure guys still get annoyed by Lance, hell I do sometimes, but you can tell they really root for him (especially West). I think he's earned their respect with his hard work and passion for the game. They kinda treat him like a little brother. They ride him when he does something dumb, but it's because they recognize he can play and help them win.

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    Honest question here, not picking a fight.

    If he can drive against Deng, who won't he be able to drive against? Deng's no slouch defending the ball.
    He wasn't doing a whole lot of driving. A lot of his shots came off a couple dribbles and then a pull up from mid range, a shot he can get up over anybody. He worked on that with the ball handling coach this off season. That shot should be his bread and butter until he gets stronger with the ball.

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    No doubt, the funny part is that you could see Vogel calling that play and the guys were just like "yeah we know it"

    That play works against crappy teams but teams that have good coaching a good defense they know how to stop it, Vogel needs to mix it up.
    If he's gonna use the same play he could at least throw in a different option. Doing the same fake pick over and over isn't gonna continue to work.

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    I hope PG can play like he did last night more consistently going forward. But I fully expect him to play a dud tonight against the Blazers. He looked exhausted out there at the end.
    He's only 22 he'll be fine. If he struggles I doubt it will be because he's tired. A lot of players play close to 40 minutes a night, and with the bench struggling I think it's a good idea to play our starters more minutes.

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    If he's gonna use the same play he could at least throw in a different option. Doing the same fake pick over and over isn't gonna continue to work.
    The play runs 5 options. Option one was what beat L.A., option 2 is West off the slip. Option 3 is Paul coming off his run(which is intended to get his guard lost in the meat of the play to get him an open outside look) which we saw finish the first half of game 2 vs. San Antonio. Option 4 is Lance in the corner, only if his guard shades off to help at the rim. Option 5 is Hibbert floating to the basket if his guard gets pulled to the rim by G3.

    These options are weighted as listed. 1 being most desired result, 5 being least due to the difficulty of the pass required.

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