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    Default 12/4/2012 Game Thread #18: Pacers Vs. Bulls

    WHERE'S THE BEEF?


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    Game Time Start: 8:00 PM EST
    Where: United Center, Chicago, IL
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    PACERS
    Danny Granger - left knee tendinosis (out)




    BULLS
    Richard Hamilton - torn plantar fascia in left foot (day-to-day)
    Derrick Rose - left knee (out)


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    SB Nation Chicago:
    Ricky O'Donnell: Kirk Hinrich - One of the worst players in the NBA

    The Chicago Bulls' problems are bigger than Kirk Hinrich, but no one player personifies
    them more succinctly. SB Nation Chicago's Ricky O'Donnell looks at what went wrong for
    the Bulls' prized free agent signing.

    How's this for a kick in the stomach: when Gar Forman and John Paxson decided to make
    signing Kirk Hinrich the Chicago Bulls' top offseason priority this summer, they were
    thinking about you. I swear it's true. The decision to bring back Hinrich was, in the most
    mangled sense of the term, good publicity for a franchise in desperate need of some. In
    the warped minds of the people who call the shots for Chicago's pro basketball team,
    signing Hinrich amounted to throwing the fans a bone. I know.

    There's no denying the fact that Hinrich is the type of player fans like, and the Bulls have
    great fans. The Bulls have sold out nearly every home game for over two decades, and
    the people who buy those seats are the type of customers who can appreciate the less
    tangible aspects of Hinrich's game: grit, toughness, ability to persevere through obvious
    physical shortcomings. All of those things sell to the public. In this sense, signing Hinrich
    was almost a slam dunk. He was familiar, likable and safe. He would work hard, stay out
    of trouble off the court and toe the company line through and through. Did you hear he
    kept a house in area the last two years while battling injuries and fumbling his way
    \through underwhelming campaigns in Washington and Atlanta? It's true! There's a lot to
    like about Kirk Hinrich, I suppose, save for his ability to play basketball. Kirk Hinrich is
    terrible at playing basketball.

    There's a reason Forman and Paxson have their job, and they've largely done well in
    turning the Bulls into something of an agile beast the last two seasons. Give them credit
    for choosing Derrick Rose over Michael Beasley, give them credit for hiring Tom
    Thibodeau, give them credit for drafting Taj Gibson and Joakim Noah. But when it comes
    to roster construction and team makeup, the decision makers are supposed to be smarter
    than the people who buy the tickets. There was almost no analytical way to argue
    procuring Hinrich to a two-year, $8 million contract, and saddling the team with a hard
    cap for the rest of the season, was a smart move. Through 14 games this season, Hinrich
    has already proven that without a doubt.

    You could see the headline coming from the moment Hinrich's signing was announced. I
    laughed audibly the first time I read it:

    Kirk Hinrich evaluated by more than numbers

    Well, that's good. Because Hinrich's numbers are atrocious.

    Hinrich has an offensive rating this season of 92. For players that have started at least
    12 games this season, only four players are worse. You don't even need to dabble in
    advanced metrics to tell Hinrich doesn't have it anymore, the numbers on the back of a
    basketball card do the job fine enough. Take a look at those numbers:

    Points per game: 6.2
    Field goal percentage: 32%
    Free throw percentage: 62%
    Three point percentage: 29%

    Kirk Hinrich's PER this season is 9.03. Here's how that stacks up on John Hollinger's
    scale, via Wikipedia: just above "Definitely renting" (9.0), with "Next Stop: D-League"
    (5.0) as the lowest hurdle to clear. Hinrich isn't going to the D-League, you can bet on
    that. He'll be bricking jumpers with the Bulls all season long.

    This isn't hate-fueled, as I'm sure Hinrich is a nice enough guy. It's just: what does he
    do well on a basketball court...CONTINUE READING AT SB NATION CHICAGO



    Ball Don’t Lie Preview:
    Kelly Dwyer: Derrick Rose, according to one source, could be a few weeks away
    from practicing. This might not be great news for Bulls fans


    You can see this grain of salt from miles away. From wherever you pick up the Damen
    bus, number 50, in order to shuffle your way to the United Center. Some lone "NBA
    source" — a single person — is speculating that some members of the Chicago Bulls
    think star guard Derrick Rose "could" be a few weeks away from practicing. Which
    would then push Rose's return to live action closer to late-December, ticking closer to
    the "eight" in the "eight to 12 months" diagnosis he was given after tearing his left ACL
    in a playoff game on A.

    Someone's playing doctor, and the Chicago Sun-Times' Joe Cowley is reporting it. And
    because we've just as much insight as we guess from afar — like the source, like
    Cowley, like the players who might be watching Derrick cut and spin in individual drills
    every day but have no idea as to Rose's eventual return — we're going to play doctor
    as well.

    And point out that the sooner the Chicago Bulls push Derrick Rose into the lineup, the
    more worried you should be. Because the team doesn't have the greatest history of
    acting like the grown-ups in this situation.

    First, Cowley's report, which starts with the discussion that Derrick "could be just weeks
    away from practicing" with the team:

    ''That's the belief that a couple of [the Bulls'] players are under,'' the
    source said.

    Rose has been expected to be able to play in games by February, but
    that has been inferred more than actually stated. Even if the Bulls
    receive the ultimate Christmas present of getting him back on the
    practice court just before Dec. 25, it doesn't mean he's necessarily
    ahead of that February schedule — or behind it.

    Asked Monday if there was a specific timetable for Rose to start
    practicing, general manager Gar Forman answered in a text message:
    ''We're still taking the process step by step, and a date hasn't been set.''

    If that sounds tactful, coming from Chicago's GM, it's because he is on point with his
    on record patience. And while it's a jerk move for us to expect Forman and his
    franchise to do the inappropriate thing and let Rose play as soon as Derrick feels as
    if he's ready, it's worth pointing out that Chicago's history with these sorts of things
    isn't as tactful as Forman's comments appear above.

    No NBA team comes close to working its players through injury or fatigue like these
    Bulls. Former center Omer Asik limped around the court in a playoff series against
    Miami in 2011 with what wasn't initially diagnosed as a fractured fibula — the same
    malady that could keep Steve Nash off the court until January — but was later
    revealed to be a FRIGGING FRACTURED LEG-BONE once Chicago's season ended.
    Luol Deng was fielded in much the same way a few years back, as the Bulls hemmed
    and hawed over his willingness to play through injury during the 2009-10 season.

    Deng, it turns out...CONTINUE READING AT BALL DON'T LIE



    ShamSports:
    Mark Deeks: Nazr Mohammed and Trade Kickers

    Even though he signed a one year minimum salary contract using the Minimum Salary
    Exception, Nazr Mohammed has a 15% trade kicker in his current contract.

    Trade kickers in contracts are somewhat rare. They are particularly rare in small
    contracts, as becomes obvious upon a study of the current trade kickers in the league
    today:

    Ray Allen - 15% - $3,090,000
    Andrea Bargnani - 5% - $10,000,000
    Nic Batum - 15% - $10,825,000
    Chris Bosh - 15% - $17,545,000
    Jose Calderon - 10% - $10,561,982
    Vince Carter - 10% - $3,090,000
    Tyson Chandler - lesser of 8% or $500,000
    Pau Gasol - 15% - $19,000,000
    Manu Ginobili - 5% - $14,107,492
    Eric Gordon - 15% - $13,668,750
    Blake Griffin - 15% - trade kicker in extension, begins next year
    Udonis Haslem - 15% - $4,060,000
    Roy Hibbert - 15% - $13,668,750
    LeBron James - 15% - $17,545,000
    Amir Johnson - 5% - $6,000,000
    DeAndre Jordan - 15% - $10,532,977
    Brook Lopez - 15% - $13,668,750
    Robin Lopez - 15% - $4,899,293
    Shawn Marion - 15% - $8,646,364
    O.J. Mayo - 15% - $4,020,000
    Mike Miller - 15% - $5,800,000
    Nazr Mohammed - 15% - $1,352,181 (cap number of $854,389)
    Steve Nash - 15% - $8,900,000
    Derrick Rose - 15% - $16,402,500
    Josh Smith - 15% - $13,200,000
    Jason Terry - 7.5% - $5,000,000
    Jason Thompson - 5% - $5,250,000
    Anderson Varejao - 5% - $8,368,182
    Dwyane Wade - 15% - $17,182,000
    Deron Williams - 15% - $17,177,795
    Metta World Peace - 15% - $7,258,960

    Furthermore, many of those trade kickers are in contracts that are already paying
    the maximum salary to the relevant player. As kickers cannot be used to increase a
    salary to an amount greater than the max, those kickers are thus pretty much
    redundant. [As for why anyone puts them in, then - well, why not? What if the max
    gets bigger? Unlikely, but plausible.] Very few trade kickers actually matter, then.
    Indeed, of all the contracts in the league today, only three contain already-enacted
    trade kickers. Of those three, one was partially waived in order to facilitate the
    trade (Hedo Turkoglu), and one was redundant for the aforementioned maximum
    contract reasons (Chris Paul). That leaves Luke Walton as the one example of a
    current contract that was increased by a trade kicker. In a bloviated way, the point
    is hereby made - trade kickers aren't very common.

    When they are given out, they are done so as leverage. If a team and a player
    cannot meet in the middle on contract negotiations, the inclusion of a trade bonus
    serves to bridge the gap; an increase in salary upon being traded gives greater
    incentive to accept perceived home town discounts. In Nazr's case, negotiations
    probably can't have gone on for too long, as there was surely no dispute as to the
    fact that he was a minimum salary contract calibre player.

    What Nazr's trade kicker...CONTINUE READING AT SHAMSPORTS



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    Nba.com has this on wgn, but it is not on the tv guide. I really thought I would get to see this at home.

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    Bout time PG plays like a big boy. Doubt he keeps it up, but it's sure nice to see for once!

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    Belinelli looks a lot like Boozer.

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    Indiana need a great game by Paul tonight

    P.S: Hamilton looking like Belinelli xD

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    Ben Hansbrough not taking warm ups lightly... Slapped the ball out of PG's hands when PG was doing a turn around post move of him.

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    Ben Hansbrough not taking warm ups lightly... Slapped the ball out of PG's hands when PG was doing a turn around post move of him.
    I believe he screamed "weight room!" right after too.

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    Life as a West Coast Pacers fan: If I'm going to watch the game, I usually have to wait until long after work and catch the replay later off of League Pass with friends. That means for the next 3-4 hours I'm on no spoiler zone. With 8pts9sec on my FB wall, that means total isolation until later tonight.

    Go Pacers, make it worth the wait!

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    lmao .. feels like I am watching a bad chinese kung fu flick
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    Plumlee reminds me of a young Dale Davis. Good rebounding and he contests shots well on defense and his offensive game is very raw just like DD's was coming out of college.
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    Mavis Staples is awesome.

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    Need to be clicking on all cylinders tonight
    Help us Paul George......you're our only hope

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    The and 1 duo are together again.

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    I don't know what Boomer normally does, but I like how their mascot sits in a chair reading a paper for the opposing team intros lol

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    PAUL GEORGE

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    Be nice to hear Jeff Foster be booed tonight.
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    Belinelli will hit at least two complete garbage threes

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    that fireworks smoke lingering or did Slick take the short road trip?

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    I hate when offensive players do what George Hill just did, but you can't deny the effectiveness of it.

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    Is there a more unlikeable player than Carlos Boozer?
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    Paul George just got more points than last time.

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    Is there a more unlikeable player than Carlos Boozer?
    Joakim and Garnett often rub people the wrong way - and are usually more efficient basketball players too, which helps/hurts.

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    Joakim and Garnett often rub people the wrong way - and are usually more efficient basketball players too, which helps/hurts.
    see, I don't mind Noah. I like the intensity he brings. I would love him if he were on my team
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    see, I don't mind Noah. I like the intensity he brings. I would love him if he were on my team
    I concur.
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    PG's value will never be higher

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    see, I don't mind Noah. I like the intensity he brings. I would love him if he were on my team
    But that's why non-Bulls fan hate him. As a Pacers fan, I love Carlos Boozer because Chicago doesn't.

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