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  • #46
    Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

    Originally posted by owl View Post
    I am not so sure that was a good thing either. If I remember correctly Bird wanted BOTH West and Nene.
    I think Bird was wanting to let Hibbert walk. Who knows how that would have worked?


    I never got the feeling Bird wanted both DWest and Nene. Maybe I missed it. My impression Bird wanted Nene, and when the price got ridiculous he went after Dwest.

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    • #47
      Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

      Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
      1) For God, Don, Don, Vogel, tell PG & Lance to step in or dribble into a 17 footer when they're wide open (since they are both cold as ice from downtown).

      2) When (hopefully not if) Granger returns, I still want us playing through West and Hill first.

      3) I love Roy and I'm not questioning him playing hard or anything, but damn we payed way too much for him.

      4) At this point (dream time here so don't take seriously), I'd give Sactown Roy, Paul, and Tyler for Cousins.

      5) Still disappointed with the new big three offseason acquisitions. Mahinmi overall has been best so far, and I agree he has helped the interior D on the bench unit. I just wish he could be more consistent someplace else - scoring, rebounding. Maybe it will come.

      Agustin at least seems to have turned up his intensity level. Looks a bit less like a zombie out there, but unless he goes on a prolonged hot streak shooting the three there's almost no chance he ever overcomes all his negatives. Green? Sorry to this supporters, but don't even talk to me about him. Almost zero contribution unless his three is falling. Hmm... so I guess that makes he and DJ about the same profile.

      6) Best pickup of the offseason by far has been Young. If all he does on O is hit a corner 3 here and there, I'll take it for what we get in hustle, defense, and physicality.

      7) PG was good in the non-scoring areas so I give him credit there. But will the guy even be able to average say 12 -14 ppg?

      8) Wish Lance were more involved in the offense than just a spot up 3 guy. Don't care how hard he's worked on it, it's still not his bread and butter.

      9) I think Bruno is not comparing DWest and DD in terms of their skill sets at all. He's talking the toughness and attitude they infuse in the rest of the players - a form of leadership by example. Both are/were, IMO, primary catalysts for the "soul" of the team.

      10) So far a great road trip. Keep it going tonight. Who will step up? Assuming the Beast will not see a lot of minutes after 37 or 38 last night.

      11) So, if George & Hibbert continue to be average at best / underachieve for another 20 or so games, do they have any trade value?

      With Hibbert's contract, I don't see he has any trade value the way he's playing. If he was being paid 10 mil, he might have some value, but his stats are less than D. Jordan and J McGee who are being paid 10 mil this season. The worst thing that happened for the Pacers was that Hibbert was an Allstar last season. That's the difference in his salary and McGee and Jordan's. Hibbert's agent capitalized on that and got Walsh to overpay. Walsh had to have a sick feeling when he watch Hibbert twice miss the rim on shots last night after what he paid Hibbert to keep him. 3-9 shooting at 33 1/3%. Pathetic!

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      • #48
        Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

        Didn't get on here to comment last night, too wrapped up in the game. All I gotta say is David West is a super-beast and owned the Kings. I know Kings fans had to be frustrated every time he kept knocking down shots. He had the kind of performance that makes an opposing fan keep slapping their forehead.
        Larry Bird and Ryan Grigson- wasting the talents of Paul George and Andrew Luck

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        • #49
          Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
          You know it's really too bad we couldn't pay Nene 56 million dollars to be here. Had to settle for David West. Too bad really.
          You are an Indiana Pacers hater and specially a Larry Bird hater because they are the ones that took that whole trip to kiss Nene's a** to bring him here, no me, all I did was agree with Bird so stop it.

          I love how I'm supposed to be the only that wanted him when a huge group of people wanted him also.
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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          • #50
            Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

            The George Hill and David West acquisitions are looking good about now.

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            • #51
              Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

              I also love how people keep making fun of Nene's contract, I guess people have not seen that the Pacers now have a similar contract in Roy Hibbert and Danny "I'm making 13mil a year to sit home" Granger.
              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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              • #52
                Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

                About Hibbert, I think putting on so much weight was a mistake. He was much more fit/mobile last year. I know he wanted to build his lower body so he wouldn't be pushed off the block so easy, but I think he gave up too much agility to do so. I hope he considers trimming down.

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                • #53
                  Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

                  I'm not so sure that it's a weight problem but he seems to be back to shooting a lot of his shots off-balance or otherwise awkwardly.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

                    Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                    Where are all the people jumping off the cliff 3 weeks ago? The same ones who said us "sunshiners" were crazy for believing this team would come around?

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                    One of them is right here (although I wasn't on PD saying these things because this is the first time I've logged on in months). I was very down on the team (emotionally as well) until the past few games. They seem to have finally started playing like they have some form of professional training at the sport. It's fun to be able to watch the games again and not want to throw something at my tv the whole time.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

                      Originally posted by MAStamper View Post
                      I'm not so sure that it's a weight problem but he seems to be back to shooting a lot of his shots off-balance or otherwise awkwardly.
                      I agree. JMO, but that seems to indicate a conditioning issue. Dude is just not in shape yet. Plus he seems to be rushing things a little. I expect most of that to go away as the season grinds on.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

                        Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
                        I agree. JMO, but that seems to indicate a conditioning issue. Dude is just not in shape yet. Plus he seems to be rushing things a little. I expect most of that to go away as the season grinds on.
                        What is frustrating with Roy is how he should be unguardable in the post. His little hook shot in the post should be money in the bank, there is no reason for his poor shooting display.
                        *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

                          Originally posted by MAStamper View Post
                          I'm not so sure that it's a weight problem but he seems to be back to shooting a lot of his shots off-balance or otherwise awkwardly.
                          This.

                          Confidence is shot, he questions all his moves and situations on offense and then the hesitation kills the moment. Last night he got a post feed that had him primed to walk Cousins right back to the rim, and instead he stopped and faced up. Forget if that was the missed jumper or the drive where his dribble was knocked off his leg, but I remember it was ugly.

                          And FT% is not a weight issue, that's mind games.

                          He needs to get Cheech Marin's character from Tin Cup to get him out of the funk.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

                            If there are any PGA Tour fans on here, you'll get this analogy:

                            I think Hibbert is going through the "Duval" situation. A lot of people don't know or remember, but Duval was right there with Tiger in his prime. Sure, Tiger was better, but man was Duval close. The guy was an incredible golfer, and was clearly going to be able to challenge Tiger (Think Phil, but potentially better). All of the sudden, Duval goes and loses a TON of weight, puts on a TON of muscle...and his game goes to ****. He basically over-tweaked his body to the point of ruining his career.

                            I don't think what Roy has done is that bad, he hasn't destroyed his career. He has, however, done some things that have adversely affected his game, and it needs to stop. Drop some of the weight, get some of that quickness back.

                            Call me crazy, but this was a great game for the Pacers. Here's why:

                            At this point, all those saying we needed Paul to be "The Man" have seen why we don't. We need Paul to score efficiently and play elite defense. Leave being the Man to West or Hill. Option 1, West. Option 2, Hill.

                            We've found what works. We didn't win tonight because the team got hot from 3 or something, we won because David and George took over offensively, and had some players make some very key plays (Sam Young, DJ with a couple VERY important shots). The team, yet again, showed improvement. I've said it over and over, but I won't completely freak out until the team stops showing improvement. That has yet to happen.

                            Final point: All of those railing against Vogel, give him a little credit for adjusting his offense, keeping his guys playing ELITE defense, and starting to go away from his squad subs. He's making adjustments, and the team is responding with wins. It wasn't long ago that Indiana wouldn't even be competitive on these West Coast trips.

                            Go Pacers!

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                            • #59
                              Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

                              Great games by HIll and West again. But I wish people would stop saying that because West has been having some good games recently, you have to look at what our team has done with a grain of salt. Last I checked, David West is an Indiana Pacer and will be at least for the entire season. So whatever he does for us is a credit for us, not something you can't consider when evalutating our team. If you're waiting for all 10 players in our rotation to consistently play well, you're going to be waiting a long time. Not everybody plays great every night. He's had his little funks as well as everybody else on the team. The only difference is that he's been a bona fide scorer in this league where nobody else currently playing has been.

                              When LeBron goes off for 40 points, I doubt anybody comments that if they need LeBron to put up 40 they're not as good as they looked because as you can see he clearly only averages 25. Big games don't exist unless the team makes an effort to get the ball to the hot hand and give up their shots. So yes, West isn't gonna score 30 every night. But we're finally playing like he's our primary scorer consistently.
                              Last edited by aamcguy; 12-01-2012, 01:12 PM.
                              Time for a new sig.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

                                Here's why I disagree on Green not contributing. Last night there were a couple of up for grabs rebounds that Green's vertical saved the day on and turned into Pacers possessions. And when he made the bad pass it was Green that ran it down and turned it into not just a Kings TO but a foul to boot.

                                Green is moderately physical and is still bringing his vertical game to challenge inside.



                                The team isn't fixed, it's on a more healthy, believable grade of improvement. They've had the right situation to help that along in terms of schedule, but it's okay to be developing while playing easier early season opponents (see all NCAA football).

                                Here's what they've learned

                                - Hill/West are fitting into a Parker/Duncan role now, less Paul-Roy as the offensive focus
                                - This lets Paul and Roy work more from the 3rd-4th option role instead which means you don't 100% have to have them going in order to limp along
                                - Roy is playing great defense and is crucial to that end and the team's outstanding FG% and PPG defense
                                - Young is obviously the defensive stopper and a McKey-like "what do you need" type, not starter talent but you are glad when he gets his minutes
                                - Green is backing off and appears to be still looking for his role, but at least he/they aren't making him the focus right now while he slumps.
                                - Paul has been showing an improved ability to drive and dish
                                - Ian can be relied on as a physical frontline guy, but like Green he's still trying to figure out when/where he can or should get the ball

                                If I'm giving out homework to Vogel it's to get a reliable PnR game going between DJ and Ian because that's untapped gold that can have a major impact on getting them going while also generating much needed bench offensive flow. If Ian would protect his dribble a bit better going to the rim then this combo would be even more lethal.

                                And back to West-Roy, maybe Roy-David are like Smits-Dale, just in a way opposite from what we thought. That can still work even if we eventually would like to see more offense from Roy's salary.





                                BTW - game specific, where's all the complaining about that obvious hip-hugging carry last night, I think it was Garcia. He lost his dribble, cradled it to his hip, put his other hand on the ball to secure it (a 2 handed dribble?) and then put the ball back on the floor and continued to drive to the rim. It was right in front of me and I was p*****, and the replay in-arena confirmed I was right to be. Terrible missed call.

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