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    Preaseason doesn't impact regular season standings. Its virtually meaningless.

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    San Antonio should just say they were negotiating a trade with Dallas and kept their players out of the game as a precaution. You know Cuban would be good for it.

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    What?

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    I probably would if televised. Of course I prefer sports to sports entertainment (WWE). The NFL wasn't happy about teams resting, but instead of threatening and sanctioning teams they handled it through scheduling. Of course it's a much better run league so i guess i shouldnt expect Stern and the NBA to do something similar. A commissioner dictating to a coach when to play his players is BS for sport. I suppose it is perfectly acceptable for sports entertainment, though. I shouldn't be surprised that Stern would take this stance.

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    The more I think about it, the more hilarious it is to argue that the NBA is losing some kind of exposure or something from this. It certainly created high drama, and isn't that what drives ESPN? Maybe they lose some revenue in the two hours last night, but you know First Take, Mike and Mike, Cowherd and the rest of them will be talking about this above everything, including the Falcons-Saints game.

    The only way you get that exposure with everybody suiting up is if the Spurs win and the Heat are falling into some kind of skid. Otherwise this is just another one of 82 that isn't as important as the NFL game being played on the same night.

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    The more I think about it, the more hilarious it is to argue that the NBA is losing some kind of exposure or something from this. It certainly created high drama, and isn't that what drives ESPN? Maybe they lose some revenue in the two hours last night, but you know First Take, Mike and Mike, Cowherd and the rest of them will be talking about this above everything, including the Falcons-Saints game.

    The only way you get that exposure with everybody suiting up is if the Spurs win and the Heat are falling into some kind of skid. Otherwise this is just another one of 82 that isn't as important as the NFL game being played on the same night.

    Just because you're interested in what "Mike and Mike" or Cowherd say doesn't mean that you watched the game. I watched the Falcons-Saints game last night because the NFL was offering the superior product, and I've listened to "Mike and Mike" some this morning.

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    I know it's popular to bash Stern, but I think he got this 100% right.

    When a coach decides that a game is not important to win (and it's not a matter of resting players for a playoff spot that has already been decided), then the integrity of the contest is threatened.

    You don't want a coach, player, or ref working for a casino.
    You don't want a ref being best buds with players.
    You don't want coaches or general mangers tanking games or seasons.

    Pop says he decided to rest guys for this game many months ago when reviewing the schedule. How many people did he tell? Did they bet on the game?

    Some of you are also IU fans. What if you showed up for the IU-UNC game the other night and Tom Crean announced that, while none of his players were injured, he was concerned about many of them getting just a little too tired. Thus he had decided that Cody, Jordan, Victor, and Will would all not dress for the UNC game. How would that go over? How should it go over?
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    Well, thanks to Tom Haberstroh's twitter (@tomhaberstroh), there is precedent. Pat Riley was fined $25,000 for not playing Magic Johnson and James Worthy in 1990. http://www.nytimes.com/1990/04/25/sp...rs-a-fine.html

    If they only fine Pop $25,000, then there's no chance he doesn't do this again. I guess Pop's lesson will be: don't do this on a nationally televised game.
    Inflation makes that $42,000 in today's money. Still, $25k is a lot.

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    I know it's popular to bash Stern, but I think he got this 100% right.

    When a coach decides that a game is not important to win (and it's not a matter of resting players for a playoff spot that has already been decided), then the integrity of the contest is threatened.

    You don't want a coach, player, or ref working for a casino.
    You don't want a ref being best buds with players.
    You don't want coaches or general mangers tanking games or seasons.

    Pop says he decided to rest guys for this game many months ago when reviewing the schedule. How many people did he tell? Did they bet on the game?

    Some of you are also IU fans. What if you showed up for the IU-UNC game the other night and Tom Crean announced that, while none of his players were injured, he was concerned about many of them getting just a little too tired. Thus he had decided that Cody, Jordan, Victor, and Will would all not dress for the UNC game. How would that go over? How should it go over?
    Yeah, but Pop also believes he has a team that will win without those guys. He's not an idiot. I bet if you asked him about his chances to win without Duncan, Gionobli and Parker, he'd be very confident in his response.

    So I'm fairly certain he didn't mark this game as a "tank" game or an off night.

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    Yeah, but Pop also believes he has a team that will win without those guys. He's not an idiot. I bet if you asked him about his chances to win without Duncan, Gionobli and Parker, he'd be very confident in his response.

    So I'm fairly certain he didn't mark this game as a "tank" game or an off night.

    You're not trying very hard to win if you sit Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker. Sure you "can" win, but you're not going to beat many top teams (or bottom feeders for that matter) without those guys.

    Pop threw the game and they essentially rubbed it in everyone's face when they made a point to say that they flew those guys back to SA on a Southwest flight. You can't get away with something so blatant when the league is going up against an NFL game.

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    You're not trying very hard to win if you sit Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker. Sure you "can" win, but you're not going to beat many top teams (or bottom feeders for that matter) without those guys.

    Pop threw the game and they essentially rubbed it in everyone's face when they made a point to say that they flew those guys back to SA on a Southwest flight. You can't get away with something so blatant when the league is going up against an NFL game.
    The NBA even trying to go up against an NFL game is pointless. They should've known that from the start.

    And like I said, Pops isn't the kind of coach to just throw away a game like that. He's always had good teams.

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    The NBA even trying to go up against an NFL game is pointless. They should've known that from the start.

    And like I said, Pops isn't the kind of coach to just throw away a game like that. He's always had good teams.
    I'm sure the NBA is well aware that they aren't going to win Thursday Nights against the NFL. However, they still want all of the possible viewers they can get. And having a team like SA send all their stars home means it's less likely that people will watch.

    Sure Pop is a good coach and wants the most out of his teams. And he has done nothing but win since he has been their coach. But as far as this game is concerned, he wasn't trying his hardest to win. The team is infinitely less talented without those guys. You're not putting forward your best effort if you sit the core of your championship teams.

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    I'm sure the NBA is well aware that they aren't going to win Thursday Nights against the NFL. However, they still want all of the possible viewers they can get. And having a team like SA send all their stars home means it's less likely that people will watch.

    Sure Pop is a good coach and wants the most out of his teams. And he has done nothing but win since he has been their coach. But as far as this game is concerned, he wasn't trying his hardest to win. The team is infinitely less talented without those guys. You're not putting forward your best effort if you sit the core of your championship teams.
    What you're forgetting is that the Heat played SA. If people are going to watch, it's to watch them.

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    What you're forgetting is that the Heat played SA. If people are going to watch, it's to watch them.

    I think there are plenty of people like myself who want to see a competitive game when they tune in. It certainly turned out to be competitive, but I want to see a competition between elite teams at full strength. I thus had no interest in watching last night. I was watching Falcons-Saints.

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    I think there are plenty of people like myself who want to see a competitive game when they tune in. It certainly turned out to be competitive, but I want to see a competition between elite teams at full strength. I thus had no interest in watching last night. I was watching Falcons-Saints.
    For the pro basketball buff like you and many others on this site. But to the casual, bandwagon fan they want to see the Heat win. Win Win Win.

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    I know it's popular to bash Stern, but I think he got this 100% right.

    When a coach decides that a game is not important to win (and it's not a matter of resting players for a playoff spot that has already been decided), then the integrity of the contest is threatened.

    You don't want a coach, player, or ref working for a casino.
    You don't want a ref being best buds with players.
    You don't want coaches or general mangers tanking games or seasons.

    Pop says he decided to rest guys for this game many months ago when reviewing the schedule. How many people did he tell? Did they bet on the game?

    Some of you are also IU fans. What if you showed up for the IU-UNC game the other night and Tom Crean announced that, while none of his players were injured, he was concerned about many of them getting just a little too tired. Thus he had decided that Cody, Jordan, Victor, and Will would all not dress for the UNC game. How would that go over? How should it go over?
    That wouldn't happen because the scheduling of college basketball is a lot more forgiving to the players than NBA basketball. You are right with your premise, but Stern is wrong with his solution. The solution isn't fining coaches into submission, but scheduling so teams aren't playing 4 games in 5 nights.

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    Very few if any coaches could do this type of thing and still have the respect of the players the next day. Pop is the only one right now.

    So I don't think this will turn into a trend (coaches resting players in the middle of the season against top teams)

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    I'm sure the NBA is well aware that they aren't going to win Thursday Nights against the NFL. However, they still want all of the possible viewers they can get. And having a team like SA send all their stars home means it's less likely that people will watch.

    Sure Pop is a good coach and wants the most out of his teams. And he has done nothing but win since he has been their coach. But as far as this game is concerned, he wasn't trying his hardest to win. The team is infinitely less talented without those guys. You're not putting forward your best effort if you sit the core of your championship teams.
    Why do NBA benches shorten in the playoffs? Apparently teams are taking into account how long the NBA season is and trying not to run their best players into the ground before the playoffs. Does that mean they aren't trying their hardest to win in November? Where do you draw the line? If Duncan plays 10 mins less than his average because Pop wants him to get some rest is that a problem? If a guy is a little sore, but would play if it was game 7 of the NBA finals, should he play in November? If he sits, does that mean you are not trying your best to win? It's the coach's job to decide who plays how much and when. If management, players, fans, or anybody else is telling a coach when to play a player it is a problem. Especially when it's the commissioner and the reason is sponsors.

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    I wonder if Stern would have even noticed it they were playing the Pacers...

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    That wouldn't happen because the scheduling of college basketball is a lot more forgiving to the players than NBA basketball. You are right with your premise, but Stern is wrong with his solution. The solution isn't fining coaches into submission, but scheduling so teams aren't playing 4 games in 5 nights.

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    Sitting your best players against the Heat would be like a team sitting its best defensive players against the New England Patriots.

    A big head scratcher for sure on the Spurs behalf for doing this so early in the season, but I wouldn't fine them just because the game was nationally televised. It was Pop's decision to do it. Didn't seem very smart, but then again, he is the coach.

    I would assume the league would've at least given them a talking to if they did this during the week.

    This can certainly go either way.
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    There is only one person that should care about this and its the spurs owner. I think POP saw it as a scheduled loss so why not let your guys refresh and come back stronger. Their team is not young and this may buy them a few more wins. Everything has to be looked at in the big picture and if Pops did it then there is a reason.

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    (and it's not a matter of resting players for a playoff spot that has already been decided)
    Actually, he DID rest his players for a better playoff spot. The game against Memphis on Saturday will impact the playoff seed of the Spurs as the Griz are in the same division with them thus making this game one of the most important games of the season.

    The game against Miami? It just isn't as important for playoff positioning.

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    But to the casual, bandwagon fan they want to see the Heat win. Win Win Win.
    And that's exactly what the schedule making ensured

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    Late to this conversation, but Kareem and the other big stars used to have "80 game contracts" where the players could pick a game or two to rest. Can't tell you how many times I went to MSA to the see the Lakers as a kid and Kareem was nowhere to be found but was healthy enough to play the games before and after.

    This decision by the Spurs doesn't bother me at all, from a competitive perspective. But I'm glad all those guys played last week when I went to the game because its been years since I've been able to see get to a Pacers-Spurs game in person and I enjoyed watching them play. (Didn't enjoy the outcome, of course.) Would have been really bummed as a paying customer if those guys were given "that" night off.
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