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    Away: 4-6
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    Projected Starting Lineup:
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    Projected Starting Lineup:
    EZELI
    LEE
    BARNES
    THOMPSON
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    PACERS
    Danny Granger - left knee tendinosis (out)




    WARRIORS
    Andrew Bogut - "left ankle rehab" (out)
    Brandon Rush - torn left ACL and MCL (out)
    Richard Jefferson - strained right calf (out)


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    Golden State of Mind:
    Nate Parham: How are the Pacers coping with Danny Granger's absence?

    The Golden State Warriors host the Indiana Pacers tonight at 7:30 p.m. PST at Oracle
    Arena. Although the Pacers have been hot lately, a Q&A with SB Nation's Indy Cornrows
    reveals that they still have some weaknesses that the Warriors can exploit.

    I can't even believe I'm writing this, but the Golden State Warriors enter tonight's game
    against the Indiana Pacers tied for first place in the Pacific Division game having won 6
    of their last 8 games.

    As Andy Liu wrote here on Tuesday, "With Danny Granger out and no special scorers on
    the Pacers' roster, the Dubs should have no problems taking care of them." Add to that
    the way the crowd at Oracle helped lift the Warriors to a win against the Denver Nuggets
    on Thursday night and it's easy to imagine them adding another notch in the win column.

    However, despite Granger's absence and the team's offensive struggles, the Pacers find
    themselves coming to Oakland having won 5 of their own last 7, including a dramatic win
    against the L.A. Lakers (no, I have no idea what's happening in the Pacific Division this
    season either, but let's just go with this before someone wakes us up from this dream).

    So what's going right with the Pacers? Who will maintain their momentum? For some
    rival insight to counter our West Coast bias, I contacted Ian Levy of SB Nation's Indy
    Cornrows with a few pre-game questions about Granger, the seeming emergence of
    George Hill in his absence, and what the Warriors would have to do to stop the Pacers
    from finishing their California road trip unblemished.

    GSoM: I'm pretty sure that last time Tom Lewis & I did a Q&A it was in response to
    flimsy trade rumors about the Warriors offering their #7 pick for the likes of Danny
    Granger (and interestingly, Harrison Barnes has been compared to Granger once or
    twice around GSoM). At that time, Tom wrote, "...the team needs to hang on to
    Granger now and continue improving in other areas. They don't have anyone who
    can fill in that 18-20 points per game with the ability to score 35..." Yet the Pacers
    have won 5 of their last 7 without Granger and the two losses (at New York, vs. San
    Antonio) are perfectly reasonable. What has the team been doing over the last 7
    games to make up for the absence of Granger?

    Ian Levy: They've been defending well, and getting just enough offense.

    One of those games was the ridiculous Paul George 37 point effort, an scoring output
    that he won't be duplicating on a regular basis. The Pacers have been talking about
    new movement, both ball and player, that they've installed in their offense but for
    the most part things look just as stagnant. They've been getting timely offense
    contributions from David West and George Hill and that's helped them squeeze out
    some games. Grinding out wins is a terrific change from where they were two weeks
    ago, but there is still a lot more ship-righting to do.

    With regards to Granger, the Pacers certainly miss his points. But the real problem
    is the way his absence has pushed everyone to the fringe of their own offensive
    efficiency. Everyone is having to do a little bit more, and in ways they are not
    entirely suited for, which has dragged down the efficiency of the entire group. If and
    when Granger returns everyone can slide back into the usage tier they're best suited
    for.

    GSoM: I thought it was really awesome to see a Pacers team playing without their
    "name" star beat a glitzy Lakers team with multiple stars in LA. For fans that don't
    watch the Pacers too often, what might we be able to take away about the Pacers
    from that big win in LA?

    IL: The big take-away was that for all the offensive problems they've had this season
    the Pacers are still one of the best defensive teams in the league and have the pieces
    in place to win some games primarily with their efforts at that end of the floor. The
    Pacers simply cannot score consistently this season, but their effort level and
    defensive intensity hasn't waned. However, needing a last second shot to win a 79-77
    game, against the similarly...CONTINUE READING AT GOLDEN STATE OF MIND



    Warriors World:
    Jack Winter: Starters Underwhelm for Warriors

    The Oklahoma City Thunder are the NBAís modicum for patient, earned, and seemingly
    sustainable success. Just three years removed from a 3-29 start and in-season coaching
    change, OKC was a Finals participant last season in a closer-than-it-looked five game
    series. The trade of James Harden not withstanding, they boast a young, versatile roster
    with two bonafide superstars, a near All-Star big man thatís only getting better, and solid
    ancillary parts that play their roles to perfection. Theyíve got a model lockerroom culture
    and maybe the leagueís most passionate fanbase, too.

    So for the perpetually downtrodden Warriors, most any comparison to the Thunder should
    be welcome and a sign of encouragement. At 8-6 and currently sixth in the Western
    Conference, that Golden State is even a potential playoff opponent of OKC after the
    seasonís first month is worthy of a small celebration. After all, this franchise hasnít
    enjoyed this much pre-New Year winning since the ďWe BelieveĒ days of 2006.

    So before we get to the problem at hand, take a moment to appreciate where the
    Warriors are right now and realize that the following is the type of nit-picking reserved
    for teams with legitimate and meaningful longterm goals for this season. Basically, know
    that the purpose of this discussion is good even though itís bad.

    So other than the shooting woes of their young, star point guards, what do the Thunder
    and Warriors have in common? Their starters are absolutely killing them.

    This is an issue for Oklahoma City thatís well-known; you donít play in the Finals and
    have players like Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook without constant national
    analysis and scrutiny. The Thunderís opening quintet of Westbrook, Thabo Sefolosha,
    Kevin Durant, Serge Ibaka, and Kendrick Perkins puts them in an unnecessary whole
    almost every game, for the simple reason that they just canít score. The hope and
    justification for this lineup is that that problem is offset by better play on the other
    end, most notably influenced by the presence of Sefolosha and Perkins. But that
    wasnít the case in 2011-2012 and certainly hasnít been so far this season either, as
    chronicled here by the always must-read John Hollinger.

    The Warriors suffer from the same affliction, and itís especially comparable to OKCís
    because the supposed ďstoppersĒ Ė rookies Harrison Barnes and Festus Ezeli Ė play
    roles similar to Sefolosha and Perkins. Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, and David
    Lee are three of Golden Stateís best offensive players, and collectively present a net
    negative on the other end. Lee is especially poor defensively, and Curry and
    Thompson Ė though the latter is improving Ė are prone to foul trouble. So it makes
    sense to pair that trio with Barnes, a wing with a rare combination of size and
    quickness, and Ezeli, a great rebounder and paint intimidator.

    The expectation, like the one back East in Oklahoma, is that less give-and-take on
    one end or another would yield better balance and ultimately an early lead. But that
    on-paper thought hasnít come close to materializing on the court, as the Warriorsí
    starters have been awful on offense and merely average on the other end, a fact
    best reflected by that groupís relation to the teamís offensive and defensive ratings
    overall.

    Letís bullet for emphasis.

    • GS overall Offensive Efficiency: 100.3 (17th)
    • Startersí Offensive Efficiency: 93.3 (29th)
    • GS overall Defensive Efficiency: 100.4 (12th)
    • Startersí Defensive Efficiency: 99.2 (seventh)
    • GS overall Net Rating: -.1 (15th)
    • Startersí Net Rating: -5.9 (27th)

    Yikes. The trade-off that Mark Jackson anticipates just isnít there, mostly due to this
    groupís complete ineptitude on offense; these guys just canít score. Part of that is
    likely due to the shooting struggles of Curry and Thompson and the price of playing
    two rookies simultaneously, but even if they come around on offense it still wonít be
    enough. Golden State is much-improved across the board defensively this season, so
    being better by mere percentage points on that end hardly justifies the minutes this
    ill-fitting quintet is getting right now.

    Want more evidence? Itís everywhere...CONTINUE READING AT WARRIORS WORLD



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    Starters’ Offensive Efficiency: 93.3 (29th)

    Should be interesting to see that against our defense.

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    As much as it pains me to praise you, atc, your Game Thread posts are consistently fantastic.

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    Really need roy to step the **** up and go eat tonight...wishful thinking
    Fire up that tank and drive it to the lottery then to the draft

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    I'm going to pretend that their starting center is Denzel Washington playing a rapper from Compton.

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    Keep their shooters in check
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    I just want Hibbert and PG to show up......
    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

    This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.

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    Man, I really want Jarrett Jack back in a Pacer uni.
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    When will someone other than West and Hill step up? I think all Pacers fans are waiting....
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    I'm going to tell you that this Golden State team is pretty good, with Mark Jackson now they run with a purpose, they pass the ball really well and almost anybody can make an open shot, they also run a lot and by a lot I mean a lot, I expect to see a tired Roy Hibbert and probably Dwest.

    And with that said I expect the Pacers to punish them inside they don't have anybody that can play D and block shots.

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    Vogel just essentially acknowledged PG's role as a complementary offensive player in his pre-game comments...

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    Man, I really want Jarrett Jack back in a Pacer uni.
    How many people would take JJ's contract (5.4m) vs. DJ's (3m)?

    (raises hand)

    Wouldn't be surprised at all if we go after him this offseason. He'd be great alongside Hill. Love his game, always have.

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    How many people would take JJ's contract (5.4m) vs. DJ's (3m)?

    (raises hand)

    Wouldn't be surprised at all if we go after him this offseason. He'd be great alongside Hill. Love his game, always have.
    Man, I would love for the Pacers to give him a look. I wonder what type of deal he'll get? More money, the same or less?
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    Anderson Varejao is having one hell of a season. Damn. He better be an all-star.
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    And with that said I expect the Pacers to punish them inside they don't have anybody that can play D and block shots.
    Ezeli is good at it but he's still pretty raw.

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    Gordon Hayward looks to be coming off the bench now. Had a very nice game too. Maybe the Jazz think he's better as a 6th man? Scored 21 and was efficient.
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    Pritchard is sitting in the row behind us.
    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

    This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.

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    Lance with an early steal and an assist. Maybe that'll get him going.
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    Nice steal, Lance. Nice 3, Hill

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    Lance feeling it tonight!
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    Damn Curry.

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    Lance again for 3. Loving it!
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    Lance is off to a good start

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    West just told everyone to start moving and they all started running around. Give him the max!

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