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George Hill was worth every bit of 8 mil

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  • #76
    Re: George Hill was worth every bit of 8 mil

    Originally posted by Since86 View Post
    http://www.pacersdigest.com/archive/...p/t-69168.html

    I'm thinking there were other sources, but I'm not going to dig too deep on it. The story being told at the time was that the Pacers wanted him for 6M and he wanted 7.5M per.
    Ah, thanks.

    Although, again, this isn't anything solid. What I get from that is that Indiana wanted a deal, when they couldn't get it they decided it was worth dealing with once they knew what it was going to take to get Roy. $7.5M to $8M isn't a big deal to these guys, I guess. (I'll take that extra little $500,000/year, if they want.)

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    • #77
      Re: George Hill was worth every bit of 8 mil

      Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
      Blatche needed to get out of Washington... PERIOD! The culture there was detrimental to him. I've wanted Blatche, since he was a RFA. Unfortunately, the Pacers still had David Harrison, so there was no reason to get Blatche. We all know how that turned out! Some cities/teams aren't good for players. Good example was Portland for Z-Bo. You could make a case for Tinsley and Indy/Pacers as well. I wince everytime I see the Tinjury ast # in the daily box scores.

      I've heard all the stories about Blatche same as I heard all the stories about Z-Bo. Different teams can change a player. Not to mention Blatche is on a ONE YEAR contract like Augustin. I'll bet the ole family farm that Blatche produces more on his one year contract than Augustin does. Any takers? I thought not!

      Blatche is an ABSOLUTE STEAL at $854,389. He can play both the 4 & 5, and produce. He's not up in age like both JO and Rasheed who are producing on $854,389 contracts.
      And I absolutely agree with this.

      Yes, Blatche needed to get out of Washington. Yes, he need a change of culture. All of this is true.

      But are you sure that he would be able to produce this good here?

      Personally, I don't think so. The situation in Brooklyn is better. Wanna know why?

      1) Lower expectations in Brooklyn. Simply put, people expected Indiana to be a top 3 team since last year set the expectations so high. Brooklyn was expected to need some time to gel.

      2) The new stadium and the relocation from New Jersey to Brooklyn acts as a morale booster for the Nets players.

      3) The news of Granger's injury a day before the first game of the season act as a morale sapper for the Pacers players.

      I think that if he came here he would be caught up in our slow start and our horrible offense and wouldn't look all that sexy.

      However, I do agree that for the amount of money he gets he would be a steal anyway.
      Originally posted by IrishPacer
      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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      • #78
        Re: George Hill was worth every bit of 8 mil

        Originally posted by Cubs231721 View Post
        In Hill's situation, there was no worry about a poison pill contract. Other teams would not have been allowed to give him such a contract. It violates cap rules. The contract wouldn't have to be flat like the Pacers gave him, but there are strict rules on how much the contract can be raised or lowered from year 1. What happened in the Lin/Asik situation could not have happened to the Pacers and Hill.
        Of course, structured increases. Forgot about those. Thanks.

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        • #79
          Re: George Hill was worth every bit of 8 mil

          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
          I love the idea that has arisen on PD that Donnie Walsh is the only GM in the history of the NBA who has ever overspent on a player. Just too funny. Let's look at the teams just in our own division who have overspent:

          Bulls: Boozer, and now Taj Gibson.

          Bucks: How about 5 year/32 million on Drew freaking Gooden in 2010? They decided to take on Beno Udrih's crazy contract too.

          Pistons: Charlie Villanueva. Ben Gordon. Enough said.

          Cavaliers: Remember when they paid Larry Hughes all the money in the world after they lost out on Michael Redd? Right now though, their contracts are pretty good. Only team in our division that hasn't gone crazy, but that is mostly because of what happened with the decision.

          The lesson here? Every team makes bad contracts. Every GM has made a bad deal at some point. MOST GMS in the NBA have a history of overspending. Welcome to the league we live in and have fostered.
          And our "bad" contract is George Hill..

          Personally, I love George Hill the player. I don't love George Hill the point guard. But I'd honestly rather have him play the point than not have him.

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          • #80
            Re: George Hill was worth every bit of 8 mil

            Roy Hibbert is our bad contract, not George Hill.

            For the people who don't like Hill's contract, how much do you think he's over paid?

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            • #81
              Re: George Hill was worth every bit of 8 mil

              Originally posted by Since86 View Post
              http://www.pacersdigest.com/archive/...p/t-69168.html

              I'm thinking there were other sources, but I'm not going to dig too deep on it. The story being told at the time was that the Pacers wanted him for 6M and he wanted 7.5M per.
              We may be talking apples and oranges here. If the $6M and $7.5M were only the starting salaries, the contracts would be worth $34.5M and $43.25M over the 5 years.

              A contract with a starting salary of $6M and 7.5% raises [$450K] would be $6M, $6.45M, $6.9M, $7.35M and $7.8M for a total of $34.5M over the full five years.

              A contract with a starting salary of $7.5M and 7.5% raises [$562.5K] would be $7.5M, $8.0625, $8.625, $9.1875 and $9.75. For a total of $43.25M over 5 years.

              Looking at those numbers, it seems likely the Pacers and George Hill compromised at $40M/5yrs instead of the $34.5 the Pacers offered and the $43 that Hill wanted. FWIW, the $40M/5yrs comes out to a starting salary of just under $7M with normal raises. Converting to a straight salary just made the contract easier to fit into the salary scale in the end years when the Pacers are trying to fit Paul, Danny and David into the salary cap while paying Roy's salary.

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              • #82
                Re: George Hill was worth every bit of 8 mil

                Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
                Roy Hibbert is our bad contract, not George Hill.

                For the people who don't like Hill's contract, how much do you think he's over paid?
                Even Hibbert isn't a bad contract, how many teams have a defensive presence in the middle as good as Hibbert? 3 maybe 4 teams. Is he earning his contract no, but it is far from bad. If he would just stop pulling up short on the hook shot, which he consistently made in the past, no one would have a complaint about him.

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                • #83
                  Re: George Hill was worth every bit of 8 mil

                  Much like DC before him, George Hill is the Pacers starting PG so he's going to receive hate no matter WHAT he does.
                  And this is coming from a DC hater...

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                  • #84
                    Re: George Hill was worth every bit of 8 mil

                    Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                    Even Hibbert isn't a bad contract, how many teams have a defensive presence in the middle as good as Hibbert? 3 maybe 4 teams. Is he earning his contract no, but it is far from bad. If he would just stop pulling up short on the hook shot, which he consistently made in the past, no one would have a complaint about him.
                    Thats what I meant. So far Hibbert's not earning his $. He needs to play at least as well as last year offensively to earn that contract. Hill hasn't played great, but he's been nowhere near as bad as Roy.

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                    • #85
                      Re: George Hill was worth every bit of 8 mil

                      Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
                      Thats what I meant. So far Hibbert's not earning his $. He needs to play at least as well as last year offensively to earn that contract. Hill hasn't played great, but he's been nowhere near as bad as Roy.
                      There is a difference between being overpaid and bad. Most people knew Hibbert was going to be overpaid with this new contract, it was just a matter of was it better to overpay and have him, or not overpay and not have him. Since Hibbert is a rare commodity it was better to overpay.

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                      • #86
                        Re: George Hill was worth every bit of 8 mil

                        Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                        And I absolutely agree with this.

                        Yes, Blatche needed to get out of Washington. Yes, he need a change of culture. All of this is true.

                        But are you sure that he would be able to produce this good here?

                        Personally, I don't think so. The situation in Brooklyn is better. Wanna know why?

                        1) Lower expectations in Brooklyn. Simply put, people expected Indiana to be a top 3 team since last year set the expectations so high. Brooklyn was expected to need some time to gel.

                        2) The new stadium and the relocation from New Jersey to Brooklyn acts as a morale booster for the Nets players.

                        3) The news of Granger's injury a day before the first game of the season act as a morale sapper for the Pacers players.

                        I think that if he came here he would be caught up in our slow start and our horrible offense and wouldn't look all that sexy.

                        However, I do agree that for the amount of money he gets he would be a steal anyway.

                        I'm confident that Blatche would be producing at the same rate that he's producing now or even better as a Pacer as he'd be getting more minutes of playing time.

                        He also would be playing for a possible starters spot if the Pacers shouldn't re-sign DWest. That and playing for a new contract should make him produce more as a Pacer than as a Net.

                        Anyway you cut it, slice it, or dice it Blatche is a steal this year at 79% less than Mahinmi!

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                        • #87
                          Re: George Hill was worth every bit of 8 mil

                          Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                          I'm confident that Blatche would be producing at the same rate that he's producing now or even better as a Pacer as he'd be getting more minutes of playing time.

                          He also would be playing for a possible starters spot if the Pacers shouldn't re-sign DWest. That and playing for a new contract should make him produce more as a Pacer than as a Net.

                          Anyway you cut it, slice it, or dice it Blatche is a steal this year at 79% less than Mahinmi!
                          I agree that he is a steal at this price.

                          I'm just not sure if he would be motivated enough to produce here or he'd give us his Washington production.

                          That's what I mean by saying that it was a risk. Of course, we could take a risk on Blatche and then bring back Fes (for example) and thus even if the Blatche risk failed we would still have a back-up C.
                          Originally posted by IrishPacer
                          Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                          • #88
                            Re: George Hill was worth every bit of 8 mil

                            Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
                            Roy Hibbert is our bad contract, not George Hill.

                            For the people who don't like Hill's contract, how much do you think he's over paid?


                            IMO, Hill is being overpaid by 2-2.5 mil.

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                            • #89
                              Re: George Hill was worth every bit of 8 mil

                              Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                              Much like DC before him, George Hill is the Pacers starting PG so he's going to receive hate no matter WHAT he does.
                              And this is coming from a DC hater...

                              Hate/hater is so over used. If someone disagrees with others, they are a hater. Easy label to slap on someone who disagrees. It's part of todays culture to label others a hater when they don't agree with your view or opinion.

                              I have NEVER missed voting in an election, since I was old enough to vote. Some don't or won't take the time to vote, but b/c I do "does it mean that those I vote against I hate? No, it just means I feel someone else is better qualified for whatever reason or reasons.

                              My feeling that Hill was overpaid by Walsh doesn't mean I hate or dislike George Hill the BB player. It means I feel Walsh dropped the ball and overpaid Hill when it wasn't necessary. It means I don't feel Hill is a "8 MILLION DOLLAR MAN". It doesn't mean I feel Hill isn't worthy of being a Pacer, but that I feel Hill got overpaid. NO ONE hopes George Hill produces to make that 8 mil contract one that isn't an overpaid contract more than I DO!

                              Again, hate/hater is nothing more than a label to put on someone that doesn't agree with your views/opinions. It seems some try to use those words to make others shy away from expressing their opinions. If it's not a popular opinion, then it has to be hate or expressed by a hater. In the 50's, when others expressed different opinions the label of Pinkie or Communist was applied to make them fall in line with the popular thinking people.

                              Bottom line is that those that express their opinions no matter how vehemently IS NOT HATE NOR ARE THEY HATERS!

                              Thank you for your time and now back to the regular program.

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                              • #90
                                Re: George Hill was worth every bit of 8 mil

                                Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                                I agree that he is a steal at this price.

                                I'm just not sure if he would be motivated enough to produce here or he'd give us his Washington production.

                                That's what I mean by saying that it was a risk. Of course, we could take a risk on Blatche and then bring back Fes (for example) and thus even if the Blatche risk failed we would still have a back-up C.

                                $854,389 is nothing more than peanuts for the risk. Augustin is on a 1 year contract for more, and the risk of that contract isn't looking so bright at the present time. I must commend the Nets for taking the risk. It will pay dividends for them.

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