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    Default Odd Thoughts: Super quick L.A. thoughts....

    Only time for some quick bullet points tonight guys, sorry.


    • Frank is trying to kill me by playing that God awful backup unit together against other teams who still have some starters in the game. He has got to start mixing them as the unit is just not good together.
    • Our backup wings are killing us right now. Young nor Green did anything of merit in this game and both made bonehead plays costing us ground.
    • Lance didn’t really help a lot tonight either however he had a pair of big rebounds in the second half.
    • George Hill is the second most clutch player on our team (Danny is first) and what I love about him is he does not shy away from the big moment at all.
    • To quote Seth here, David West is a B A M F! Big game from him including directing the very last play in which Hill scored. I thought I might have to gouge out my eyes with all of the bad shooting that occurred while he was on the bench. Thank God he played and hit shots.
    • Sadly Roy was very affective in limited (foul ridden min.) thanks to Dwight “flopper” Howard.
    • I used to like Howard now I almost can’t stand to see him play.
    • I can only hope D’Antoni does for L.A. what he did for N.Y. and so far from what I’ve seen he’s well on his way. Some day he & O’Brien will be battling for the Euro championships somewhere in a “king of the Baltic” game or something.
    • Ian Mahinmi actually looked a lot like the Ian from pre-season and Lord knows tonight we needed it and unlike our starting small forward he actually hit the majority of his free throws.
    • Paul George did a very good job on the boards and did as well as you can do vs. Bryant.
    • The Black Mamba is the Black Mamba you’re not going to do anything about that. Dude just has ice water in his veins.
    • Danny’s knee looked great while he was doing the post game chicken dance. Also I know I shouldn’t get my hopes up but he’s now traveling with the team and doing some practice and shooting, God please let him return sooner rather than later.
    • Did I mention that Green & Young were atrocious?
    • We only shot 63% from the free throw line and missed several in the 4th, fortunately not as many as the Lakers missed, but we have got to work on that.
    • Tyler was just to small tonight, he had no chance out there at all. He even had one of his rock solid rebounds tipped away by Bryant.
    • I know that it is conventional wisdom that Joey Crawford is a great ref. I’m sorry I just disagree. That blocking foul that we all love so much was actually the wrong call and his gross over exaggeration of the call just goes further to prove that he is all about “look at me” when he refs. a game. Sure he is not afraid to call fouls on stars or hit the home team but often times he’s just as wrong as the rest of them are and frankly the fact that everybody in the free world knows him tells me he doesn’t do his job very well.

    Off for a couple of days with some real practice time. Let’s try and get one of these two weekend games (or better yet get both) and then take our chance with the Bulls.


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    • I know that it is conventional wisdom that Joey Crawford is a great ref. I’m sorry I just disagree. That blocking foul that we all love so much was actually the wrong call and his gross over exaggeration of the call just goes further to prove that he is all about “look at me” when he refs. a game. Sure he is not afraid to call fouls on stars or hit the home team but often times he’s just as wrong as the rest of them are and frankly the fact that everybody in the free world knows him tells me he doesn’t do his job very well.
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    • Lance didn’t really help a lot tonight either however he had a pair of big rebounds in the second half.
    Totally disagree. His ability to actually get around someone mattered.

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    • Did I mention that Green & Young were atrocious?
    Agreed, I wouldn't mind cutting Young tomorrow and signing someone else.

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    • Tyler was just to small tonight, he had no chance out there at all. He even had one of his rock solid rebounds tipped away by Bryant.
    He also made a very very tough rebound in traffic. I think you're choosing where to focus here, Tyler was not the problem.
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    • I know that it is conventional wisdom that Joey Crawford is a great ref. I’m sorry I just disagree. That blocking foul that we all love so much was actually the wrong call and his gross over exaggeration of the call just goes further to prove that he is all about “look at me” when he refs. a game. Sure he is not afraid to call fouls on stars or hit the home team but often times he’s just as wrong as the rest of them are and frankly the fact that everybody in the free world knows him tells me he doesn’t do his job very well.
    Every ref gets calls wrong. At least he calls it without a tremendous level of bias, which is all you can ask for. Have you ever spoken to a ref? They know they get a ton of calls wrong, it's an impossible job.
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    Off for a couple of days with some real practice time. Let’s try and get one of these two weekend games (or better yet get both) and then take our chance with the Bulls.
    What we need isn't practice, but to sign someone who can score the basketball for the 2nd unit.
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    At least he calls it without a tremendous level of bias
    I completely disagree with this. I don't think I have walked away from a Crawford reffed game that I was not completely disgusted by the reffing, especially when that game involves big names on the other team.



    By the way, who is the Black Mamba?

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    I completely disagree with this. I don't think I have walked away from a Crawford reffed game that I was not completely disgusted by the reffing, especially when that game involves big names on the other team.



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    Doesn't matter that Ian played pretty well. Plenty will keep building the narrative that he sucks.

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    Doesn't matter that Ian played pretty well. Plenty will keep building the narrative that he sucks.
    I have to point out that although Mahinmi played well.....there were a few plays on the offensive end where he tried to do more than he was capable of doing....like driving to the hoop then losing the ball on the dribble.

    I agree that Mahinmi putting up 8 to 10 points is great....but I don't get the sense that his offensive game should consist of anything more than hitting a wide open Mid-range jumpshot, scoring on some put backs ( a la Udonis Haslem ) and getting to the FT line.

    Can someone who has paid attention to his game in Dallas tell me if he has it in him to display more of an offensive game than what I have mentioned above?

    I'm not disagreeing with you that he won't be an impact Player in the future....I'm just trying to determine if he will really have that much more of an impact on the offensive end than Foster did when he was on the Team.
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    I have to point out that although Mahinmi played well.....there were a few plays on the offensive end where he tried to do more than he was capable of doing....like driving to the hoop then losing the ball on the dribble.

    I agree that Mahinmi putting up 8 to 10 points is great....but I don't get the sense that his offensive game should consist of anything more than hitting a wide open Mid-range jumpshot, scoring on some put backs ( a la Udonis Haslem ) and getting to the FT line.

    Can someone who has paid attention to his game in Dallas tell me if he has it in him to display more of an offensive game than what I have mentioned above?

    I'm not disagreeing with you that he won't be an impact Player in the future....I'm just trying to determine if he will really have that much more of an impact on the offensive end than Foster did when he was on the Team.
    No one said he'll ever be an "impact player." Certainly not me. Just that he's far from a walking $4 million mistake like so many people are quick to accuse him of.

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    No one said he'll ever be an "impact player." Certainly not me. Just that he's far from a walking $4 million mistake like so many people are quick to accuse him of.
    One good game ouf of 15 still does not make him be worth 4mil a year for the next four years, the same with Green and his one good game long time ago, lets hope they get better but so far that's wasted money.

    And nope I'm not trying to be negative I'm just telling it like it is without the blinders.

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    And nope I'm not trying to be negative I'm just telling it like it is without the blinders.
    Thank goodness for that. We need someone to keep everyone in check and point out anytime a player has a bad game or is in a slump. Lol

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    One good game ouf of 15 still does not make him be worth 4mil a year for the next four years, the same with Green and his one good game long time ago, lets hope they get better but so far that's wasted money.

    And nope I'm not trying to be negative I'm just telling it like it is without the blinders.
    This is what I'm talking about with the narrative building. "One good game out of 15."

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    No one said he'll ever be an "impact player." Certainly not me. Just that he's far from a walking $4 million mistake like so many people are quick to accuse him of.
    Apologies....."impact player" is the wrong word to use. I meant more of a rotational Player that can be counted on to contribute on the offensive and defensive end of the court...think a "slightly better offensive version" of Jeff Foster.

    To be clear, I am not disagreeing with you that Mahinmi ( much like Green ) just needs some time to adjust to his role on the Team and that he can contribute more....I'm simply trying to assess his offensive skills beyond a solid mid-range jumpshot ( for a Big Man ), getting put-back points while going for rebounds and being a solid FT shooter for a Big Man.

    What I don't know if he has any other type of reliable go-to-moves that can be relied upon if he is called upon to score....or if he will get his points like the way that Foster did
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    Apologies....."impact player" is the wrong word to use. I meant more of a rotational Player that can be counted on to contribute on the offensive and defensive end of the court...think a "slightly better offensive version" of Jeff Foster.

    To be clear, I am not disagreeing with you that Mahinmi ( much like Green ) just needs some time to adjust to his role on the Team and that he can contribute more....I'm simply trying to assess his offensive skills beyond a solid mid-range jumpshot ( for a Big Man ), getting put-back points while going for rebounds and being a solid FT shooter for a Big Man.

    What I don't know if he has any other type of reliable go-to-moves that can be relied upon if he is called upon to score....or if he will get his points like the way that Foster did
    The guy had taken a total of ~400 attempts *total* in his previous four seasons. Expecting well developed, reliable offensive moves might be a reach at this point in his career.

    This is the first time in his career where he's actually being given the chance to really contribute offensively. A decent midrange shot along with put-backs seems like a good start. Expecting a refined post game is more realistic within a year or two.

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    I have to point out that although Mahinmi played well.....there were a few plays on the offensive end where he tried to do more than he was capable of doing....like driving to the hoop then losing the ball on the dribble.

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    Can someone who has paid attention to his game in Dallas tell me if he has it in him to display more of an offensive game than what I have mentioned above?

    I'm not disagreeing with you that he won't be an impact Player in the future....I'm just trying to determine if he will really have that much more of an impact on the offensive end than Foster did when he was on the Team.
    With Foster, you're looking at a king of 2nd chance and hustle points. Basically, Foster didn't try to put the ball in the basket unless it was a shot your grandmother would consider shooting. He relied on offensive rebounds and other players getting him the ball for easy drives.

    The fact that Mahinmi can catch the ball above the free throw line and has the option of either shooting or driving means he is more polished offensively than Foster ever was. Mahinmi isn't as good off the offensive glass and his hands aren't as reliable. However, Mahinmi also loves to catch those dumpoffs leading to a quick dunk. So their point production may be similar in the end.

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    I think Hansbrough is becoming the new Foster. Plahys defense, hustles, bangs people around and ticks them off and rebounds. All he needs is resigned and over paid and the replacement is done.

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    I think that Peck forgot to mention how atrocious Green and Young were on the offensive end.
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    Cut Young, sign Raja Bell?
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    Cut Young, sign Raja Bell?
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    Cut Young, sign Raja Bell?
    That would be great if the flopping fines didn't exist this year. Unfortunately, after his first game he would amass 1,500,000 dollars of fines and be suspended for ten games.
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    Cut Young, sign Raja Bell?
    Bell is not the same player he once was, Bell is still in Utah's roster by the way.

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    Bell is not the same player he once was, Bell is still in Utah's roster by the way.
    The Jazz have informed Bell that his agent can find a suitable move to a different team. Utah will buy out whatever is left on his contract, and he'll sign with his new team for the veteran's minimum.

    Older Raja Bell is better than Sam Young. And Raja Bell can still score a bit, and has 3 point range.
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    The Jazz have informed Bell that his agent can find a suitable move to a different team. Utah will buy out whatever is left on his contract, and he'll sign with his new team for the veteran's minimum.

    Older Raja Bell is better than Sam Young. And Raja Bell can still score a bit, and has 3 point range.
    If Bell becomes a free agent there is not doubt he goes to LA, I rather aim higher and make a trade to bring somebody else.

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    If Bell becomes a free agent there is not doubt he goes to LA, I rather aim higher and make a trade to bring somebody else.
    I'm fine with aiming higher, but while we still have Sam Young on the team, we need to aim for average.
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    Without looking it up online, I would guess the Pacers have a pretty good recent record against the Lakers at Staples Center. It seems we win there almost every time we play them, very odd.

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