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Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

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  • #16
    Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
    Pacers don't need Mayo, they already have a great player in Green and Young is the cherry in top of the ice cream.

    Shame on you people for looking at other players in other teams and for not been happy to have a losing record with those guys shame on you!!!!!

    Hopefully next year the Pacers instead of looking for the greener grass on another team they look for the turd that the neighbors dog left in top of the green grass again and hopefully they give that turd a long term contract again.....
    Ok that was damn funny.


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    • #17
      Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

      Another Mayo thread? You guys really aren't swayed by facts, or reality. We couldn't get Mayo.

      You might as well start a thread titled: Why the Pacers missed on LeBron and how they can fix it (by targeting Kevin Durant)

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      • #18
        Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
        Pacers don't need Mayo, they already have a great player in Green and Young is the cherry in top of the ice cream.

        Shame on you people for looking at other players in other teams and for not been happy to have a losing record with those guys shame on you!!!!!

        Hopefully next year the Pacers instead of looking for the greener grass on another team they look for the turd that the neighbors dog left in top of the green grass again and hopefully they give that turd a long term contract again.....
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        • #19
          Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

          I would have started Mayo over PG.

          And, now with Granger's situation, Mayo would be starting there anyway with PG at SF.

          All this is speculative in terms of what negotiation were with him as a FA, just saying I would have been willing to lure him with a starting spot. This would have made PG have to actually earn starting position over the course of the year. Maybe being the key man on the second unit would have been perfect for him. And that's not to say he wouldn't have been on the floor in crunch time if matchups demanded his defense.
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          • #20
            Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

            I don't think the issue was Mayo wanting to start but Mayo wanting close to 10mil a year, Dallas was ideal for him because he is not only starting but the short term contract he got gives him an opportunity to try to get more money next year, if he keeps averaging 20ppg I wouldn't be surprised if a team gives him what he is going to be asking.

            I expect the Pacers to have some interest in him next year (as always) but at the end of the day they are going to end up bringing some turd from the end of other teams bench.
            Last edited by vnzla81; 11-25-2012, 10:15 AM.
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            • #21
              Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

              Remember when free agency opened OJ Mayo and Courtney Lee were the 2 scorers off the bench the Pacers were linked to but both wanted starter money Lee around 8 mil and Mayo 10 and both according to sources seemed to have multi-team interest.

              Once the Blazers reached an agreement with Hibbert and Hill agreed to his contract the Pacers did not have the money Mayo wanted to offer him. Mayo got the Suns offer which was in the 8 mil range. With the fear of not getting the scorer they wanted off the bench they reached out and signed Gerald Green for 3.5 mil per instead.

              After the Mahinmi trade and the Augustin signing pushed the Pacers against the luxury tax is when the Mayo decision to sign for less in Dallas occured, the Pacers could not act at that point. In hindsight if the Pacers had known the market would dry up for Mayo and Lee they may have waited on signing Gerald Green. They acted to assure themselves of getting one of the 3 they had targeted in Green rather than getting no one.

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              • #22
                Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

                The fact that we missed out on bargain amnesty players in Scola and Brand as well as not being able to take advantage of the low ball market for Mayo and Kaman is the fault of our front office. It was simply poor time management in how the signed Hibbert and Hill and that is the job or Walsh and Pritchard. I will not believe that a conversation with Hibbert and Hill to explain to them that they'd get their money no matter what but could return to a more talented team if they waited a few more weeks wouldn't have worked.
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                • #23
                  Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

                  Or they could have just not signed Hibbert, gotten the better player in Asik, or a decent replacement in Kaman, and they could have waited for someone to give Hill an offer sheet, no rush on that, we had RFA rights.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

                    Originally posted by Dece View Post
                    Or they could have just not signed Hibbert, gotten the better player in Asik, or a decent replacement in Kaman, and they could have waited for someone to give Hill an offer sheet, no rush on that, we had RFA rights.
                    Up until last season, Omer Asik didn't show to be anything more but a big body who could bang inside and play some defense. He didn't play terribly well in the playoff series against the 76ers when Joakim Noah was out.

                    Meanwhile Roy was coming off an all star season, and the Miami playoff series where he demonstrated an ability to be an elite interior defender and a good rebounder.

                    As far as Hill is concerned, we traded away the season's previous first rounder, and again, Hill demonstrated an ability to be a good finisher in games throughout the season and the series against ORL. We had played at our best when he was our starter last year, and the FO wanted to move forward with him as our starting PG.

                    Yes, I agree that we could've allowed him to sign an offer sheet elsewhere, but lets say we would have given Mayo 8-10+ Mil in order to come here. What makes anyone so sure that he would be playing as well here as he is in DAL? Completely different system, and situations. He's thriving right now because he is basically their first option offensively right now. Here he would have to run a similar offense to what he ran in MEM when they were very post heavy, and he was having to spot up for many attempts.

                    Hindsight is 20/20. IF we knew Danny was going to be out, maybe we pay Mayo, maybe we decide NOT to trade DC, maybe we are a tad more aggressive in the trade market...who knows

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                    • #25
                      Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

                      I don't get paid millions to have my dedicated job be GM. I don't talent evaluate professionally. They do. They need to not make these mistakes, and they have to be held accountable when they do. I don't feel its hindsight because even as an amateur I thought those were bad moves, and they are proving to be so. As a professional? Do you have any idea how fast I would be fired to make mistakes on that level? It's their job to see Hibbert has a fragile ego and often vanishes. It's their job to see emerging talent. It's their job to be able to construct a timeline that benefits the Pacers, not players getting paid. They failed their job.
                      Last edited by Dece; 11-25-2012, 03:30 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

                        Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
                        The fact that we missed out on bargain amnesty players in Scola and Brand as well as not being able to take advantage of the low ball market for Mayo and Kaman is the fault of our front office. It was simply poor time management in how the signed Hibbert and Hill and that is the job or Walsh and Pritchard. I will not believe that a conversation with Hibbert and Hill to explain to them that they'd get their money no matter what but could return to a more talented team if they waited a few more weeks wouldn't have worked.
                        Yes, it was a matter of poor timing that the Pacers missed out on Scola or Brand....but was it even known that Scola and Brand were going to hit the Amnesty market during the time that the Pacers were pursuing Free Agents?

                        In other words....was it known that Scola and Brand were going to become available via Amnesty but the Pacers still pursued Mahinmi, DJ and Green?
                        Last edited by CableKC; 11-25-2012, 04:41 PM.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

                          Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                          Yes, it was a matter of poor timing that the Pacers missed out on Scola or Brand....but was it even known that Scola and Brand were going to hit the Amnesty market during the time that the Pacers were pursuing Free Agents?

                          In other words....was it known that Scola and Brand were going to become available via Amnesty but the Pacers still pursued Mahinmi, DJ and Green?
                          Yes, Brand was available and I think Dallas closed on him before we signed Hibbert and Hill.
                          Scola was Amnestied before we signed them as well but the bidding hadn't closed. All it would have taken was to move the signings back a few days. I don't care what the agents wanted, Walsh didn't have to cave. When you have cap space you wait to use it. The way we rushed to sign our own free agents was poor time management.
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                          • #28
                            Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

                            Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
                            Yes, Brand was available and I think Dallas closed on him before we signed Hibbert and Hill.
                            Scola was Amnestied before we signed them as well but the bidding hadn't closed. All it would have taken was to move the signings back a few days. I don't care what the agents wanted, Walsh didn't have to cave. When you have cap space you wait to use it. The way we rushed to sign our own free agents was poor time management.
                            I was VERY surprised aswell that we rushed to an aggreement with Hill, the amount we paid him AND used our only 5th year contract on him. No, actually, I was very surprised and quite pissed off about it. I don't believe at all that the market for Hill was THAT good and I thought that contract was too rich, especially considering the 5th year inclusion and the discussions by management about a new contract with him earlier.

                            With regards to Hibbert I aggreed what management did and I still think they did the right thing.

                            Either way, yeah, pretty horrendous time management with regards to Hill and personally I would have preffered us to sign a decent impact player for the 2nd unit instead of spreading the remaining money on several bench players.

                            Btw am I happy that that deal that management tried to make with Charlotte didn't come through. We would have had Augustin for 2 years and no Tyler currently.

                            I really hope D.J. starts making a meaningfull presence on the court, but I dont like the body language I am seeing and much less the play. Samething with Ian, unfortunately. Hope he, Mahinmi, can show us what he did during pre-season.
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                            • #29
                              Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

                              just give the new guys a break, D.J. had his best game of the year last game, Ian had a decent game as well, we don't need Ian to do a lot of scoring, just rebound and play D. Gerald will be a good signing for us IMO. Just give him some time. A lot of you like to hate on his basketball IQ, so you should understand why it will take him some time to get used to the offense. They will be good signings, just wait.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Why The Pacers Missed on Mayo and How They Can Fix It.

                                Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
                                just give the new guys a break, D.J. had his best game of the year last game, Ian had a decent game as well, we don't need Ian to do a lot of scoring, just rebound and play D. Gerald will be a good signing for us IMO. Just give him some time. A lot of you like to hate on his basketball IQ, so you should understand why it will take him some time to get used to the offense. They will be good signings, just wait.
                                That's one good game for both DJ and Ian out of 14. I'd like to see them play well in 50% of their games before singing their praises. I guess that means playing a lot of good games for a while which based on past performance I don't have a lot of faith in.
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