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    Once again, the Pacers missed out on the guy that they need, OJ Mayo. While, Mayo is reaching stardom in Dallas, the Pacers are stuck with Gerald "high hopes, no results" Green. The Pacers chose quanity over quality in the free agent market. They went for Green, Augustine, and Mahinmi when they probably could have used the money for two of those players and signed Mayo. I'm not even sure I would have been so quick to trade Collison either. But, they can salvage the season by targeting another young misplaced player in Tyreke Evans. The Kings have an influx of wings and Evans would bring in the most return. Hansbrough and Green or Stephenson would be a good package. Hopefully, Walsh and Pritchard can make up for their offseason mistakes.

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    Once again, the Pacers missed out on the guy that they need, OJ Mayo. While, Mayo is reaching stardom in Dallas, the Pacers are stuck with Gerald "high hopes, no results" Green. The Pacers chose quanity over quality in the free agent market. They went for Green, Augustine, and Mahinmi when they probably could have used the money for two of those players and signed Mayo. I'm not even sure I would have been so quick to trade Collison either. But, they can salvage the season by targeting another young misplaced player in Tyreke Evans. The Kings have an influx of wings and Evans would bring in the most return. Hansbrough and Green or Stephenson would be a good package. Hopefully, Walsh and Pritchard can make up for their offseason mistakes.

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    He's a player the Pacers should be looking at, and he's on a rookie contract playing behind Joe Johnson which means he's not getting much PT.

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    We don't have the cap flexibility to make many deals, and usually junk doesn't get you quality players. How is Hansbrough and Green or Lance a good package for former ROY Tyreke Evans?

    I think this team is what it is. The only significant trades we could do will probably have to involve George, Granger, maybe West.
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    I thought Mayo took less money than we were offering him to go to Dallas. Is that not correct? IMO, the only trade pieces the Pacers have this year are West(expiring) and George. Who else do we have that would even bring in matching quality, let alone a "star"?

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    I thought Mayo took less money than we were offering him to go to Dallas. Is that not correct? IMO, the only trade pieces the Pacers have this year are West(expiring) and George. Who else do we have that would even bring in matching quality, let alone a "star"?
    No one knows if we offered a deal to Mayo, and if we did how much.

    But yes, he took less money from several teams, specifically the Suns, to go to Dallas and start. It's not at all out of the question that we were another of those teams.

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    No one knows if we offered a deal to Mayo, and if we did how much.

    But yes, he took less money from several teams, specifically the Suns, to go to Dallas and start. It's not at all out of the question that we were another of those teams.
    This is the key point that many have missed. Given that we have all of our Starting positions filled.....why would a Player like Mayo go to a team where he would be coming off the bench ( even as the 6th man ) when he could go to a team like the Mavs and start? That is what most have to realize....at best the Pacers could offer a 6th man role to someone who wanted to be a Starter.
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    just give the new guys a break, D.J. had his best game of the year last game, Ian had a decent game as well, we don't need Ian to do a lot of scoring, just rebound and play D. Gerald will be a good signing for us IMO. Just give him some time. A lot of you like to hate on his basketball IQ, so you should understand why it will take him some time to get used to the offense. They will be good signings, just wait.

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    just give the new guys a break, D.J. had his best game of the year last game, Ian had a decent game as well, we don't need Ian to do a lot of scoring, just rebound and play D. Gerald will be a good signing for us IMO. Just give him some time. A lot of you like to hate on his basketball IQ, so you should understand why it will take him some time to get used to the offense. They will be good signings, just wait.
    That's one good game for both DJ and Ian out of 14. I'd like to see them play well in 50% of their games before singing their praises. I guess that means playing a lot of good games for a while which based on past performance I don't have a lot of faith in.

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    MARSHON BROOKS

    He's a player the Pacers should be looking at, and he's on a rookie contract playing behind Joe Johnson which means he's not getting much PT.
    Brooks is actually very overrated. He's a shoot-only guard that isn't that efficient. Think Nick Young, IMO.

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    We don't have the cap flexibility to make many deals, and usually junk doesn't get you quality players. How is Hansbrough and Green or Lance a good package for former ROY Tyreke Evans?

    I think this team is what it is. The only significant trades we could do will probably have to involve George, Granger, maybe West.
    Well, I'd agree, except last season it was reported multiple times that the Kings were not re-signing Tyreke. He's likely available, and it wouldn't have to be a 1-1 trade. If they are planning on letting him go for nothing, they'll be more likely to do a deal more favorable to the other team.

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    MARSHON BROOKS

    He's a player the Pacers should be looking at, and he's on a rookie contract playing behind Joe Johnson which means he's not getting much PT.
    I like this idea. West/Green for Humphries/Brooks. I love West, but if he doesn't fit the long term plans there won't be a better time to move him. Plus Green was a huge fan favorite. We get a younger more athletic 4 that can rebound and a sharp shooter without gutting the core.

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    I still do not understand the fascination with Mayo, unless you like players who don't try when they are coming off the bench.

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    I still do not understand the fascination with Mayo, unless you like players who don't try when they are coming off the bench.
    I didn't thank it, but I did think it was funny..

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    I still do not understand the fascination with Mayo, unless you like players who don't try when they are coming off the bench.
    Because he doesn't belong on the bench. He is a starter and better than any back court player we have. When he plays as a starter he is consistent. Nobody we have is consistent except for maybe West.

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    Because he doesn't belong on the bench. He is a starter and better than any back court player we have. When he plays as a starter he is consistent. Nobody we have is consistent except for maybe West.
    Yet if he came here he would be coming off the bench if Danny was healthy. If a player feels that they should be starting, but not willing to put in the effort to prove it I don't want them on my team. If he has to be guaranteed a spot and no competition for it we are better off without him. Look at what happened the last time we had players with that kind of attitude. I would rather have Lance who is working his *** off to become a better player.

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    Yet if he came here he would be coming off the bench if Danny was healthy. If a player feels that they should be starting, but not willing to put in the effort to prove it I don't want them on my team. If he has to be guaranteed a spot and no competition for it we are better off without him. Look at what happened the last time we had players with that kind of attitude. I would rather have Lance who is working his *** off to become a better player.
    Show me an article or a report were Mayo is saying that he only cares to start. I'll be here waiting.

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    Show me an article or a report were Mayo is saying that he only cares to start. I'll be here waiting.
    He was still averaging double figures a playing solid defense as a 4th or 5th option on the floor

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    Show me an article or a report were Mayo is saying that he only cares to start. I'll be here waiting.
    Show me an article where any player has said that? That is like asking someone to show you an article of a politician telling people not to vote for him.

    Is it possible he has changed sure, but history shows something different, unless you just think he went in a 2 year shooting slump when the Grizzles benched him. You also have to remember he is a starter in Dallas, not a bench player, so it doesn't really prove what I said to be wrong. It just proves that like many before him he knows the right things to say, and how to make a good first impression.

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    I doubt if the team even made an offer to Mayo but I'd rather we tried instead of going for Green. I agree with your thoughts that Walsh went after quantity over quality. Overall I wish we had left the bench alone except for making a run at Kaman. I don't think we can do much right now except wait things out and hope we get lucky before the trade deadline. The one position we've been solid in so far this year has been at the 4. I don't want to see Tyler or West traded for a wing.

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    But, they can salvage the season by targeting another young misplaced player in Tyreke Evans.
    Wow, I believe that I can work with that that. That is a fantastic idea. I wish that there were a way to make it happen.

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    Look!!!

    Over There!!!

    Don't You Guys See It!!!!


    GREEN GRASS!!! SO VERY VERY DEEP GREEN AND LUSH GRASS!!

    sigh, if only we had that grass instead of the crappy old dead brown crabgrass....i mean sure it's actually a Kentucky bluegrass variety and its only brown in a few spots, but still....LOOK OVER THERE!

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    Pacers don't need Mayo, they already have a great player in Green and Young is the cherry in top of the ice cream.

    Shame on you people for looking at other players in other teams and for not been happy to have a losing record with those guys shame on you!!!!!

    Hopefully next year the Pacers instead of looking for the greener grass on another team they look for the turd that the neighbors dog left in top of the green grass again and hopefully they give that turd a long term contract again.....

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    I'd like them to start with things in their control. For example:

    1) Lower our turnovers... hi Paul and Roy, we have some of the worst team TO #'s in the league

    2) Improve FG%... hi Roy, you're 7'2" and you're shooting <38% for the year.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/pl...sition/centers

    3) Reduce opponent FGA (highest in the league)... this probably relates to our high TO #'s and the fact that we force very very few opponent turnovers (again, worst in the league)... We need more active hands and disruption of passing lanes.

    4) Improve FT%... bottom 5 in league

    Still a few positives, given the record... including the impressive defensive #'s, and the emergence of Lance and Hans...

    I bet this starts to turn around, as players start to rebuild their confidence.
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    I'd like them to start with things in their control. For example:

    1) Lower our turnovers... hi Paul and Roy, we have some of the worst team TO #'s in the league

    2) Improve FG%... hi Roy, you're 7'2" and you're shooting <38% for the year.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/pl...sition/centers

    3) Reduce opponent FGA (highest in the league)... this probably relates to our high TO #'s and the fact that we force very very few opponent turnovers (again, worst in the league)... We need more active hands and disruption of passing lanes.

    4) Improve FT%... bottom 5 in league
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    Pacers don't need Mayo, they already have a great player in Green and Young is the cherry in top of the ice cream.

    Shame on you people for looking at other players in other teams and for not been happy to have a losing record with those guys shame on you!!!!!

    Hopefully next year the Pacers instead of looking for the greener grass on another team they look for the turd that the neighbors dog left in top of the green grass again and hopefully they give that turd a long term contract again.....
    Ok that was damn funny.


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    Ok that was damn funny.
    But the problem is that the guy identifying the grass and the turds changes his mind based on whether the guy plays for the Pacers or not. That's my point.

    I look forward to Mayo's next PED suspension. Just how many NBA players have been booted for PEDs, not pot (or Birdman's Meth)? Now I love Carlisle, but dang are these some staggering improvements...

    First 4 years FG% - 43.8, 45.8, 40.7, 40.8
    This year - 49.0

    First 4 years 3P% - 38.4, 38.3, 36.4, 36.4
    This year - 53.2

    So Mayo shows remarkable consistency for 4 years, like clockwork almost, and suddenly his 3P% is up 15% points over his career average to a whopping 53? And this isn't a guy that was hurt, he only failed to play every game in year 2 and that was due to SUSPENSION.

    In every other way Mayo has been dead on his career averages. Only his shooting is up, and way way up.

    So in the grass is greener point I'm saying that a guy with some iffy history who NORMALLY shoots 43%/38% doesn't really help a team who already has guys that have put up the same numbers. And jumping on the 14 games of drastically improved output paired with joining a different coach with a history of making teams and players better doesn't really sell me on the idea that had Mayo been here we wouldn't be just as frustrated with 4-11 nights for 13 points.
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