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This team needs to be blown up (OLD thread!! 2012)

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  • Re: This team needs to be blown up

    Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
    They could compete last season. What exactly changed?

    Yes, both the Knicks and the Nets improved. But we were significantly better than them last season. There's no reason to believe that once Danny is back we cannot compete against them.

    Well for one thing the team chemistry and energy changed big time. Count discount that. Better on paper doesn't mean better on the floor. The off-season has been a disaster so far. How many games do we need to give the new players before they start coming around?

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    • Re: This team needs to be blown up

      Originally posted by Cactus Jax View Post
      It was a little bit of a fluke, the Pacers had remarkable health the whole season, and the players were together and in good shape, unlike a lot of players and teams.
      Teams are not supposed to be injured all the time. Yes, injuries do happen but good health is supposed to be the norm when a team's medical staff is not entirely inept.

      You can say that it was a fluke that several Eastern teams had serious injuries on some key players. With this, I can agree. But the Pacers' own good health was not a fluke. It's something that's supposed to happen more often than injuries.
      Originally posted by IrishPacer
      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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      • Re: This team needs to be blown up

        Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
        So, you don't think that this team can repeat last year's performance and possibly expand on it?
        I really don't think so. I would love to be optimistic, but I truly believe that last years team overachieved. You need at least two players that can get the ball and score regardless of the defense. The Pacers have zero. Last season, our "win as a team" strategy paid dividends. I don't know if the rest of the NBA figured us out, or whatever excuse you want me to make. The bottom line is that our overall talent level did not improve since last year. The only player that improved is Lance Stephenson. Basically, our FO gambled that Paul George and Roy Hibbert would take it to the next level, and they lost.
        Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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        • Re: This team needs to be blown up

          Originally posted by presto123 View Post
          Well for one thing the team chemistry and energy changed big time. Count discount that. Better on paper doesn't mean better on the floor. The off-season has been a disaster so far.
          I agree that we had an amazing chemistry last year. I always loved it and considered it a great part of our success.

          But that's not something that we cannot replicate again this year. The starters didn't change. The chemistry is mostly there. That's the point of continuation.

          When the bench finds some chemistry then the overall chemistry and energy levels of the team will resemble last year's.

          Originally posted by presto123 View Post
          How many games do we need to give the new players before they start coming around?
          Personally, I'm willing to give them as long as it takes. But that's just me
          Originally posted by IrishPacer
          Empty vessels make the most noise.

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          • Re: This team needs to be blown up

            Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
            They could compete last season. What exactly changed?
            No Danny, worse bench, Roy sucking, teams getting better and actually upgrading.

            Yes, both the Knicks and the Nets improved. But we were significantly better than them last season.
            People don't want to hear it but NY and Brooklyn had a lot things happening to them last year reason why the Pacers were better than them, Amare out, Melo out of shape and injured, Brook Lopez out, Deron got hurt, coaching changes in NY, etc.

            There's no reason to believe that once Danny is back we cannot compete against them.
            There are many reasons to believe that Danny is not coming back this year and even if he does there are many reasons to believe that he is not going to be healthy enough to make a difference, there are also reasons to believe that he is never going to be the same Danny ever again, so hoping for Danny to come back and fix everything is just a dream.
            @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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            • Re: This team needs to be blown up

              Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
              Why the ceiling is the 7th seed? I'd really like you to explain your reasoning.
              I love your optimism, but the reality is that the NBA is a superstar-driven league. We don't have any. What happened last year was not a good blueprint for the future success of the Pacers. Our best player right now is arguably David West, who is probably a top 15-20 player in the east. That's not going to get it done
              Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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              • Re: This team needs to be blown up

                Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                I really don't think so. I would love to be optimistic, but I truly believe that last years team overachieved.
                There are two ways to approach this issue.

                #1 way: This year's team is underachieving.

                #2 way: Last year's team was overachieving.

                Given that our best player is missing and we have a brand new bench that has still to find any chemistry or rhythm I'm much more inclined towards the 1st option.

                It's the most logical assumption imo but in general I'm a glass half full kind of person.
                Originally posted by IrishPacer
                Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                • Re: This team needs to be blown up

                  When our opponents have injuries to key players, it means we couldn't have won otherwise. When we have a key injury, it doesn't matter because with or without it we have the same low ceiling. Of course.

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                  • Re: This team needs to be blown up

                    Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                    There are two ways to approach this issue.

                    #1 way: This year's team is underachieving.

                    #2 way: Last year's team was overachieving.

                    Given that our best player is missing and we have a brand new bench that has still to find any chemistry or rhythm I'm much more inclined towards the 1st option.

                    It's the most logical assumption imo but in general I'm a glass half full kind of person.
                    I really hope you are correct with option 1
                    Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                    • Re: This team needs to be blown up

                      Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                      I love your optimism, but the reality is that the NBA is a superstar-driven league. We don't have any. What happened last year was not a good blueprint for the future success of the Pacers. Our best player right now is arguably David West, who is probably a top 15-20 player in the east. That's not going to get it done
                      What happened last year was a young team in its first season together as a complete team showing they had a lot of promise. If we were a veteran team I doubt you see the Heat beat us.

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                      • Re: This team needs to be blown up

                        As for blowing this team up, it's way too soon. Not too soon to imagine how one might do so when the time is right, but speculation only.

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                        • Re: This team needs to be blown up

                          Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                          Teams are not supposed to be injured all the time. Yes, injuries do happen but good health is supposed to be the norm when a team's medical staff is not entirely inept.

                          You can say that it was a fluke that several Eastern teams had serious injuries on some key players. With this, I can agree. But the Pacers' own good health was not a fluke. It's something that's supposed to happen more often than injuries.
                          True but last year was one of those years were multiple stars got hurt opening the door for teams like the Pacers, Philly, Denver, etc, have you noticed that neither one of those teams look as good as they looked in the beginning of last year? it has been reported by many people that in short seasons young teams do pretty well, the same happened in the previous lockout.

                          Not only that but the Pacers were also doing something that many people didn't have an explanation for, they had a pretty good defense(like this year) and a horrible offense(like this year) and they were still able to win ugly games.
                          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                          • Re: This team needs to be blown up

                            Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                            There are two ways to approach this issue.

                            #1 way: This year's team is underachieving.

                            #2 way: Last year's team was overachieving.

                            Given that our best player is missing and we have a brand new bench that has still to find any chemistry or rhythm I'm much more inclined towards the 1st option.

                            It's the most logical assumption imo but in general I'm a glass half full kind of person.
                            The logic doesn't even require optimism, really. A team with previous success/talent is struggling while its best player sits and practically everyone else is playing below their mean average. When you consider that, the choice seems pretty obvious, whether you tend to be optimistic, pessimistic, or indifferent.

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                            • Re: This team needs to be blown up

                              Anyway, all of the above is my head talking. On an emotional level, when I have to watch some of the garbage ball they've been playing, I feel like I want them to leave the NBA and spare me this evil forever more.

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                              • Re: This team needs to be blown up

                                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                                True but last year was one of those years were multiple stars got hurt opening the door for teams like the Pacers, Philly, Denver, etc, have you noticed that neither one of those teams look as good as they looked in the beginning of last year? it has been reported by many people that in short seasons young teams do pretty well, the same happened in the previous lockout.

                                Not only that but the Pacers were also doing something that many people didn't have an explanation for, they had a pretty good defense(like this year) and a horrible offense(like this year) and they were still able to win ugly games.
                                If our offense was as good as it was last year this team would have one of the best records in the league, and we most likely only have 2 or 3 losses.

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