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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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  • #16
    Re: What is wrong? I'll tell you what is wrong

    Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
    Why do you think Charlotte allowed him to leave. I saw where fans said he was not what the stats said he was and we would be sorry we added him....
    I've seen him play and I thought he would be better. I didn't expect him to be as good as George Hill, but I didn't realize he wasn't better than AJ Price. Augustin makes TJ Ford look like a superstar.

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    • #17
      Re: What is wrong? I'll tell you what is wrong

      Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
      I also laugh at the blame on the bench. Young was the big goat, then comes in and shows that he's part of the solution. His defensive awareness has been a highlight the last 2 games. He covers up a lot of mistakes by others simply on awareness.

      Mahinmi wasn't great today, but he's already looking better than Lou and appears to have more room to grow. His thing is confidence and awareness because he's big, fast and strong.

      Green hasn't been the big scorer the last few games but his athletic ability has done wonders on defense and rebounds. He stops things that would otherwise be easy scores with plays that go unnoticed.



      The issue isn't them because West, Roy, Hill and Hibbert are struggling just as much. Hill's getting by on guts and an ability to drive in transition. The problem is when/where they are getting each other the ball.



      Oh, and they happen to be a damn elite defensive squad and look to be getting better at that end. So while the offense is one of the most disgusting things this side of a JOB 3pt chuckfest, the defense is something they can hang their hat on.
      One of the bench benches in the NBA hands down.
      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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      • #18
        Re: What is wrong? I'll tell you what is wrong

        Originally posted by MillerTime View Post
        Its funny, no one was saying this last year when he took the starting job over collison
        I was.

        I've always maintained that he's not a PG.

        This is coming from a person who really likes Hill for what he is too.

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        • #19
          Re: What is wrong? I'll tell you what is wrong

          We will be allright once we get that creating SG, Barbosa type of player only this time starter material.

          And a bit more freedom for some of our players wouldn't hurt either. Augustin in particular.

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          • #20
            Re: What is wrong? I'll tell you what is wrong

            what's wrong...... what's wrong is we suck...
            I'm not perfect and neither are you.

            Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the esteem of Elohim,
            Ephisians 4: 32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

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            • #21
              Re: What is wrong? I'll tell you what is wrong

              Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
              I also laugh at the blame on the bench. Young was the big goat, then comes in and shows that he's part of the solution. His defensive awareness has been a highlight the last 2 games. He covers up a lot of mistakes by others simply on awareness.

              Mahinmi wasn't great today, but he's already looking better than Lou and appears to have more room to grow. His thing is confidence and awareness because he's big, fast and strong.

              Green hasn't been the big scorer the last few games but his athletic ability has done wonders on defense and rebounds. He stops things that would otherwise be easy scores with plays that go unnoticed.



              The issue isn't them because West, Roy, Hill and Hibbert are struggling just as much. Hill's getting by on guts and an ability to drive in transition. The problem is when/where they are getting each other the ball.



              Oh, and they happen to be a damn elite defensive squad and look to be getting better at that end. So while the offense is one of the most disgusting things this side of a JOB 3pt chuckfest, the defense is something they can hang their hat on.
              Sorry, not buying it. DJ is a downgrade from DC and AJ. Green is a downgrade from Barbosa (and Certainly from Hill when we played him at the backup 2). Although I like Young (a lot, actually), I'd rather have Dahntay. And Lou and Ian are pretty much a wash. If Hans and Lance hadn't improved it would be scary. Perhaps part of it is chemistry hasn't been developed. But that's only part.

              It's not all their fault. Granger isn't playing, Hibbert is essentially not playing. PG hasn't taken over as the star. West is still West. And Hill is Hill playing out of position. Our collective team IQ isn't too high. The Pacers Struggle to pass, shoot, and box out.

              Now, Indiana usually gets beat by New York anyway. And all teams go through spurts of crap. and I'll be honest and say that I think Danny would fix a lot of the problems. (Particularly the mental side of what's going on.) Because not only is his shooting and toughness desperately needed because this team can't shoot and isn't mentally tough, but that will take the focus of defense off of Roy and PG. Which can only help them.

              I don't know what to do with this team. Speeding up the game sounds like a good idea, considering the team's handicaps. But when you can't pass and you can't rebound, and your Bigs are slow and slower..that's not exactly a primary option. Anything else and execution is going to be an issue..with no real point guard..poor passing/movement/ball movement. Vogel's simple inside outside offense is probably the best approach honestly, we just have to be able to shoot in order to fix it.

              But yes..at least they can play defense.

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              • #22
                Re: What is wrong? I'll tell you what is wrong

                Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                I was.

                I've always maintained that he's not a PG.

                This is coming from a person who really likes Hill for what he is too.
                I'll second this. I was still beating the drum for Collison during the last ten games of last season - I think he got a raw deal, and I still think George Hill received more credit than he deserved for those wins (all against sub-.500 teams, if I recall correctly). I think we overpaid him for sure.

                All that said, I can't place much blame on him for this 4-7 start. Our offense is all-around ******. My concern is that when/if we fix it, it will require a better facilitator than Hill to succeed.

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                • #23
                  Re: What is wrong? I'll tell you what is wrong

                  Roy just can't maintain his position. His balance is poor and smaller guys can push him off balance so he doesn't make plays.

                  I'm ok with Hill. We need lance.
                  Last edited by speakout4; 11-18-2012, 08:42 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Re: What is wrong? I'll tell you what is wrong

                    Hill, Young, Tyler, West, Lance.

                    Start those guys until PG & Roy decide they want to play. That's our best lineup right now.

                    The bench is not better. It's not even equal right now. Maybe with some longer-term development Mahinmi will turn into something, but right now he's an inconsistent, often out of control foul machine.

                    And I don't deny everyone is sucking, they are. The problem is defense only gets you so far. Even with Granger back, still don't have the consistent shooting threat or the player capable of breaking down D off the dribble to score or create for others. Still don't have a legit starting-caliber point guard.

                    Despite Bird's greatness, Walsh as the scapegoat, or Pritch's slap or lack there of, this team has failed to acquire the necessary skill sets and level of player(s) to complement what they've got . I think this will go down as the issue. Even with a healthy Granger, there's no guarantee of more than 45 wins and maybe advancing as far as last year best case.
                    I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                    -Emiliano Zapata

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                    • #25
                      Re: What is wrong? I'll tell you what is wrong

                      Originally posted by Revikan View Post
                      Next is Roy Hibbert, he is 7'2 and he can't dominated. I want to see him get the ball deep and just simply dunk over his man. He never does this, he is too weak. Is Hibbert a bad player? No hes just overpaid for what little he does. He looks good against bad players, but when he goes up against a duncan, chandler, or noah he cant do anything. He is too soft and is too easily pushed off.
                      It isn't that he can't dominate, it's that he's been the worst player on the court more often than not. His slump has been unbelievably bad, both offensively and defensively.

                      Once he gets it figured out he'll be fine, but he's absolutely been useless on the court this season. It's semi-acceptable for him to be shooting 45% if he's staying involved defensively, but this season he's more like 30% and really not making an impact, unless you count the negative impact.

                      When you're not getting any production out of a member of your starting 5, and another is out hurt, you're gonna have a bad time.

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                      • #26
                        Re: What is wrong? I'll tell you what is wrong

                        Sookie, I don't see how you could want DJones back after seeing that Dallas game. He was awful, and we got to see one of his classic moves where he goes overly physical for no good reason and then wonders what the call was about (when he literally grabbed and threw Tyler down). Green and Young have much better defensive footwork than Jones and are good at staying in front of people. Jones was living on rep and the chair pull. If DJones wasn't hitting 3s last year people would have been sick of him.


                        Augustine without a doubt has been a disaster, but it's not like Collison didn't struggle against Hill. DC is a case of grass is greener. Yes he's better now than DJ is, but Mahinmi is also better than Lou and at the end of the year they can let Augustine walk.

                        I mean the Pacers have one good win and it was against a team featuring Collison at point.


                        Let's see DC put up nice numbers at the point with Roy playing like he is plus Danny out. We know what Hill can do with Roy and Danny because we saw it last year. It's not like this is Hill's first chance.


                        And Collison still lets guys leave him on defense just about as badly as Augustine.

                        DC was okay, but he was just a smaller, less physical and defensive version of Hill. DC has never been a great court vision passer and still isn't. And Dallas isn't exactly kicking everyone's butt. Their schedule has been pretty soft so far, at least for the wins.

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                        • #27
                          Re: What is wrong? I'll tell you what is wrong

                          Roy hasn't been awful on defense. He's been a mix of strong and awful, averaging out to okay or maybe even slightly helpful. But on offense he's actually a problem. If Mahinmi could get things together you'd almost expect Roy to have to go to the bench.

                          I like Roy and want him to succeed, but this start is exactly why people like me were in those debate threads saying that the signing of Roy was very risky. There were so many people that acted like letting Roy go would be a big mistake, but the fact is that it was always a tough call.

                          And by the way, I fully expect Roy to come out of this at some point and just go on a 3 week tear where a bunch of people pop up saying "See, I told you". That's Roy, some great, some terrible, a little overpaid due to his only above average sum total on the year (by the end of this season I mean).

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                          • #28
                            Re: What is wrong? I'll tell you what is wrong

                            I think getting Danny Granger back will put this starting unit right back where they were last year. The squad did not change. Only they way defenses approach us. Once we get our major perimeter threat back, defenses will not get to choose who they want to cheat off of and double team at will.
                            You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                            • #29
                              Re: What is wrong? I'll tell you what is wrong

                              For those saying that we need to make a change with the backup point guard set up, we did in the second half of today's game.
                              You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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                              • #30
                                Re: What is wrong? I'll tell you what is wrong

                                What's wrong?

                                Our three most highly touted players led the team in plus minus:

                                West: -17
                                Hibbert: -16
                                PGeorge: -14

                                Forget subs. Forget backup point guards. Forget the coach. These three guys need to stop sucking.
                                "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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