Reggie was only a career 39% but yeah he sucked too
Reggie was only a career 39% but yeah he sucked too
I plea the 5th
Last edited by Pacer Fan; 11-18-2012 at 05:53 PM.
Frank Vogel says "Killer instinct, start strong, build a lead and then step on their throats."
Nah the Pacers are just as good or even better, if Danny is here we beat them by at least 20, Danny would have destroyed Melo, Danny>>>>Melo, not only that but Roy>>> Chandler, BAMF>>> the whole Knicks team, by the way I can't believe we haven't given BAMF a long term extension yet, 60/5 years sounds about right to me.
Call me crazy but it looks to me like Green is on his way for 6th man of the year, if it wasn't for Mahinmi I would probably nominate him as the best off season signing in the NBA.
I thought we were going to emphasize ball movement and open up the court more. I saw us dumping it in to Roy again today. That is never, ever, EVER going to work. He is not very good and no one ever goes to the boards when he shoots. Not gonna work!
At one point today we trailed 26-21 for about five minutes. We stopped them time after time and what did we do? Come down, shoot a quick jumper or watch Roy miss a jump hook. When you suck at shooting, how about emphasize off. rebounding and getting to the FT line?
Im done with Roy yeah call this an overreaction post but why every single damn year does he do this funk garbage we shouldnt have given him the max because of this very reason he's way to inconsistent.
Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.
AND just who left this team in a mess 3 years ago? Oh yeah, the same person who is in charge of this team now!
I quit watching this game in the 3rd qtr. I'd seen enough of little ball movement and too much 3 pt shooting. Another game of shooting 20 3ptrs. Don't tell me Jimmy Vogel can't reign in the players from relying on shooting 3's. If he can't or won't, then he needs to step down and let someone else who can. I had my fill of stretch 4's and 3 pt shooting under the last coach to last me a life time.
Just how many games into the season does it take to come to the conclusion this team needs fixed? What really P***** me off is I went thru the brawl, the albatross contracts that Walsh brought in, and the JOB years for this crap!
So I flew to NYto see this game. Bought my tickets before the season started. Worst game I've ever been too by far.
I usually enjoy a good back and forth with the Knicks fans, Even when we lose. This time though there was no ribbing, no trash talk. The Knicks fans just felt sorry for me. Even bought me a beer.
Walsh made the bed for Hibbert that Herb Simon is now paying for. Not to mention having the Pacers Nation up in arms with the terrible play they are having to watch.
Welcome back Donnie.
Last part in GREEN.
I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.
Like everyone, I've endured the Milwaukee-Dallas-New York roller-coaster ... but even when I put on my rose-colored glasses and imagine the team once things "come together," I still believe a couple critical pieces are missing. A true 3-pt threat is at or near the top of the wish list (along with collective BB IQ).
"I'd run through a brick wall for that man."
- Roy Hibbert on playing for Coach Frank Vogel
The building I work in is literally attached to the Verizon Center, and I still don't know if I want to go to Wizards-Pacers tomorrow night. Ugh.
It is embarrassing though. So was this game.
If we can all blame our perimeter players for the struggles of our big man, is it so unthinkable that are slow footed big man are hurting them as well?
How the hell is this Donnie Walsh's fault? He didn't make Vogel the coach and he didn't bring in Hill and West. The STARTERS are awful on offense, not the bench. With Lance in the starting lineup and Vogel coaching, that's the LARRY BIRD vision.
You might as well blame it on being an even numbered year, it has as much to do with the situation as Donnie. Maybe 2 years from now when Mahinmi, Green, Hill and Roy are ruining the team and the 2 draft classes for Walsh look like duds then okay.
But this team has 10 times more to do with Larry than Donnie. And I don't even think it's Larry's fault. I just think Vogel is struggling to find his offensive vision and get them utilizing it. Plus Granger being out does hurt a little.
Completely agree. The steal to dunk the other night was all him rotating from his man to cover the PnR going into the lane where Tyler was not covering the return pass. Young saw it and anticipated the pass. He did that against today on several occasions. And then there was the defense on JR Smith.
Young is the team's best defender.
If they could only score some points. Until then I think you have to bet the under every game they play. We might be headed to a 65-60 game at some point.
edit - and I think Woodson has some great plays on the NY side. I noticed they don't do PnR, they do Pick for pass instead, or a give and go variant instead of that. So the result is a man coming past the pick at full speed and catching the ball just past it, going 1-2 dribbles right into the scoring attack or pass back to the roll. It works like a much faster PnR play that really pressures the defense to react quickly.
Giving that and the fact that they have an elite scorer like Melo on their team, not to mention a set of proven capable bigs, I think the Pacers deserve credit for their ability to make the Knicks struggle on offense.
Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 11-18-2012 at 07:32 PM.