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    You can't say anything on this site without ridicule from all the cool aid drinkers here. It was a rediculous off season, we wasted our cap space. Our off season was a prototype for a mediocre franchise. WeT did nothing with our cap money but overpay average players and sign projects. We hire Walsh whose time has come and gone. He will sit on this mess until nobody is in the stands or he will make a bad trade just to try to pacify the fan base. They have tried to lure fans with a giant scoreboard and totally over estimated this mentally weak bunch of players. Everyone thinks Paul and Roy can be stars. A star has a certain mindset and these guys have nothing even resembling that. Back where we started Pacer fans, I told you so

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    https://twitter.com/MikeWellsNBA/sta...56238758088706

    Hibbert: "I put the onus on me. I’m tired of playing like some (expletive)." Putting cuss word n would be better but I want to stay employed
    Well, at least he's aware of it. Would be pretty hard not to be. Now fix it.

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    You might want to rewatch footage from last season. He looked like a completely different player he just needs his confidence back. Do you not remember Noah unable to guard him? He can be a force. We had a great inside out game because of him last year. He got offered max contracts by three teams. I can't say to see him prove you wrong.
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    Every time I would read on here over the last two years somebody touting Hibbert and Paul George as our future I would roll my eyes. I hate being right on this one but it's sure looking that way.

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    Both Crawford and Mayo are averaging over 20 points/game so far. Makes you sick doesn't it? Kaman sounds like a far better and cheaper option too right? What could have been this past off season.

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    I'm going to keep saying it until people read it.

    OJ Mayo got offered more money by "other teams." We don't know who. But I bet one of them was us.

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    How the hell is this Donnie Walsh's fault? He didn't make Vogel the coach and he didn't bring in Hill and West. The STARTERS are awful on offense, not the bench. With Lance in the starting lineup and Vogel coaching, that's the LARRY BIRD vision.

    You might as well blame it on being an even numbered year, it has as much to do with the situation as Donnie. Maybe 2 years from now when Mahinmi, Green, Hill and Roy are ruining the team and the 2 draft classes for Walsh look like duds then okay.

    But this team has 10 times more to do with Larry than Donnie. And I don't even think it's Larry's fault. I just think Vogel is struggling to find his offensive vision and get them utilizing it. Plus Granger being out does hurt a little.


    It's easy to say the starters and problems are on Bird, but I didn't see Walsh upgrading the starters. What I saw Walsh do was overpay to keep Hibbert and Hill. That's on Walsh.

    Walsh decided not to re-sign last years bench players. Walsh made the the decision which players to bring in this year.

    Walsh is in control, but I guess he is blameless of any current problems. He made the decisions, so he alone is responsible for his decisions. You act like Walsh is teflon and his poor managerial decisions can't stick to him. Sorry, but the buck stops with Walsh.

    If Walsh can't make changes to righten the ship, he needs to be replaced with someone who can and will.

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    Why does everyone single out Donnie?

    Pritchard deserves some blame aswell
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    I got league pass and barely watch the team at all, its one thing when its at least entertaining bad (JOB), but when I find myself looking for something else to do cause I see the team not going to reach 80 points is just boring. Defense is obviously important but what i've seen of these games reminds me of a bad version of late 90's Fratello coached teams, where it's going to be a 85-80 type of score and its just bad basketball.

    The team is doing enough defensively, it's just overall as a group is an atrocious offensive team. Can't shoot, can't pass, can't screen, can't post up, drive to lane, anything really. If the Pacers are serious, Vogel would have 9 games imo to make things better, if they still are dreadful and have an under .500 record in those games, he'd be gone. All the work to get fans back will very quickly go away with this awful display of basketball.
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    It's easy to say the starters and problems are on Bird, but I didn't see Walsh upgrading the starters. What I saw Walsh do was overpay to keep Hibbert and Hill. That's on Walsh.
    Walsh decided not to re-sign last years bench players. Walsh made the the decision which players to bring in this year.
    Walsh is in control, but I guess he is blameless of any current problems. He made the decisions, so he alone is responsible for his decisions. You act like Walsh is teflon and his poor managerial decisions can't stick to him. Sorry, but the buck stops with Walsh.
    If Walsh can't make changes to righten the ship, he needs to be replaced with someone who can and will.
    Well said.
    First I have doubts as to if Larry would have overpaid Hill like Walsh seemed to have done for no real reason and I question if he would have paid Hibbert the Max.
    Walsh made the wrong moves in the offseason, downgraded our bench, killed our chemistry and squandered very hard earned cap space.
    There is no excuse for Hibbert this year and that's not Walsh's fault. But the difference in having last years bench to this years bench would have been enough to put us over the top in most of our losses. With the money he had to spend he should have been able to really improve on last years bench. Poor time management (which falls on Walsh) cost us Scola. Giving away DC for a player he didn't need to trade for because he though Augustin was a better fit was is on Walsh. Replacing more players then he needed to which hurt our chemistry is on Walsh.
    We really, really need Larry back at the end of this season.

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    Maybe Vogel needs to get thrown out of a game for going Bob knight on his players. Vogel has always backed up his players. Now they're not backing him up.

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    At what point is Roy Hibbert stealing money?

    I hate to pile on him, especially since he acknowledged he's playing awful but man... he's play like the worst max contract player in the history of the NBA. He's only reached double digits in points 4 times and double digits in rebounds 3 times. A lot of time season but that's awful for 1/8 of the season. And 37.9% shooting... gosh.

    I hate it for him but eve more, I hate it for our fans. This season hasn't been fun at all so far. At 7'2 he should be a double double machine. This obviously isn't all on him but I pick on him because he's the one that just got the max contract. He said this is where he wanted to be but instead of even giving us a little bit of discount and leeway, he signed Portland's offersheet and forced us to match to keep him. The Pacers held up their end by making sure he stayed in Indiana, it's his turn to start earning his ridiculous salary.

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    I miss DC:....

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    It's easy to say the starters and problems are on Bird, but I didn't see Walsh upgrading the starters. What I saw Walsh do was overpay to keep Hibbert and Hill. That's on Walsh.

    Walsh decided not to re-sign last years bench players. Walsh made the the decision which players to bring in this year.

    Walsh is in control, but I guess he is blameless of any current problems. He made the decisions, so he alone is responsible for his decisions. You act like Walsh is teflon and his poor managerial decisions can't stick to him. Sorry, but the buck stops with Walsh.

    If Walsh can't make changes to righten the ship, he needs to be replaced with someone who can and will.
    Funny thing is...

    Amundson, Barbosa and Collison are cheaper than Augustin, Green and Mahinimi.

    Depressing.

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    I miss DC:....
    Must not have seen the game against the Mavs.

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    It's HILARIOUS that when Hill is hitting clutch shots and closing out games, he's such a winner/closer, but the second he has a bad game ppl "miss DC", Hill is overpaid, and is the root to our offensive problems. Typical

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    Absolutely hilarious how Mike Wells is invoking Jim O'Brien while discussing Roy Hibbert's struggles in his pathetic little blog. The guy has no imagination whatsoever but at least I got a chuckle out of him bringing up "Satan." LOL Mike Wells. O'Brien ruined Hibbert don't you know? Just ask any Pacers fan and they'll tell you all about it! I would feel sorry for any team that has to depend on this guy. I feel sorry for MY team. Two years ago I wanted to ship him out of town while he still had some appeal around the league and try and work something to land Anderson Varejao. I love that guy's toughness. Would love to see Hibbert get booed on Wednesday night if he can't step up against a Nene-Less Wizards team tomorrow night.

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    This has been a nightmare of falling dominoes. I had no idea Granger's absence could be so disastrous. I knew it would hurt, but this was the equivalent of a 50-something win team last year with otherwise the same starters, same staff, and a revised bench that on paper looked like an equal or better fit.

    Yet God damn if not nearly everyone is playing the worst ball of their lives save maybe Lance and Tyler. And those two aren't exactly begging for big bucks on their next contracts.

    This has just been a spectacular disaster thus far. So many of these players are and have been better than this. They really are/have. But this turn of events has appeared to have this demonic ripple effect on practically the entire roster, and honestly Frank is not the ideal coach to deal with this situation.

    It's not that he's a bad coach, but this is his first tour of duty in his career, and in tough times like this I think a team really needs a veteran coach who can better keep the ship afloat, be a constant teacher during practice, and drill offensive sets that have better spacing and execution than this.

    I still believe in what this team could/should be with a healthy Danny, but my God it's all come down like a house of cards with that piece missing.

    Sooooo many things ought to be better than they are right now it's not even funny. I have no clue how they're going to straighten any of it out while Danny recovers. I wish I did.

    They're theoretically much better than this, yet they seem incapable of pulling themselves out of the mud right now.

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    What's actually HILARIOUS is there is nothing inconsistent there at all. I like Hill. I think he is an elite 6th man, solid starting 2, and average to sub average starting 1. Despite that he is overpaid. He is overpaid regardless of liking him because he was a restricted free agent who we gave a contract bidding against no one. Every single RFA ever you should tell them hey, go get an offer. You can always match it if you want. If you don't want to, then you can make your bid, and maybe they take a little pay cut to stay, maybe not. You NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER bid against yourself. That's the biggest failure possible in that scenario. Continuing with how these thoughts aren't inconsistent, despite liking Hill, I can still see that having BOTH Hill and Collison would improve out back court. You are presenting a false dichotomy that suggests we can only have 1 of these players. We could very easily still have both right now.

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    Believe me I feel as odd typing this as you are about to feel reading this but here goes.

    I actually don't think this is Donnie Walsh's fault. IMO this is Kevin Pritchard and frankly sadly mostly Herb Simon.

    I think Kevin is working under the rule that there is a certain dollar amount that they will go to & that the best way to go was a slow steady improvement via the younger starters getting better & upgrading the bench.

    I still in my gut believe that Bird was ready and wanted to take the next step & bring in another "name brand" player & when Herb restricted that he went from "ready to go" to "taking a break".

    Does a lot of this look like something Donnie would have done? Well, yes. But I'm just of the opinion that Walsh stepped in at the last min. only because Simon did not have a working relationship with Pritchard & I heard Donnie say he was only here for a year.

    Now if he is still here next year I'll gladly blame him but right now I just think that this is a combo of Pritchard/Simon.


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    Don't blame Roy Hibbert for how he plays. You're being too hard on him and frankly so is Coach Vogel. I mean, how is it supposed to help Hibbert's confidence that the coach will only play him 25 minutes? He should get the chance to play more minutes as he continues to struggle, because what matters most is his development. O'Brien was guilty of the same thing, only playing him 24 minutes a game in his second season when he should have been playing 34 regardless of his performance and regardless of matchups. He's a great guy and has an awesome personality and works hard. Geez, give the guy a break.
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    The man is making 15 million a year and you are talking about "Development". Please!

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    Walsh is well known for spending Pacer money freely. Remember JO and Choshere.

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    Believe me I feel as odd typing this as you are about to feel reading this but here goes.

    I actually don't think this is Donnie Walsh's fault. IMO this is Kevin Pritchard and frankly sadly mostly Herb Simon.

    I think Kevin is working under the rule that there is a certain dollar amount that they will go to & that the best way to go was a slow steady improvement via the younger starters getting better & upgrading the bench.

    I still in my gut believe that Bird was ready and wanted to take the next step & bring in another "name brand" player & when Herb restricted that he went from "ready to go" to "taking a break".

    Does a lot of this look like something Donnie would have done? Well, yes. But I'm just of the opinion that Walsh stepped in at the last min. only because Simon did not have a working relationship with Pritchard & I heard Donnie say he was only here for a year.

    Now if he is still here next year I'll gladly blame him but right now I just think that this is a combo of Pritchard/Simon.
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    He said this is where he wanted to be but instead of even giving us a little bit of discount and leeway, he signed Portland's offersheet and forced us to match to keep him. The Pacers held up their end by making sure he stayed in Indiana, it's his turn to start earning his ridiculous salary.
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    Would love to see Hibbert get booed on Wednesday night if he can't step up against a Nene-Less Wizards team tomorrow night.
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