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    Default Re: Jim O'Brien called David Harrison a 'homo' during film sessions?

    I have a rule that anything that David Harrison says should be ignored. That same rule applies to MWP and Jamaal Tinsley. That rule has served me well since they started destroying the chemistry of my favorite team.

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    What a thread. A coach uses a homophobic slur to a player, and some posters are more worried about other posters using the term "turd." Wow.

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    Who was more of a jerk to the players? Jim O'Brien or Larry brown? I don't know, but I've heard worse about Brown. But brown gets a pass because he's a better coach.

    overall I think this is a non-issue. But if you want to know all the names NBA coaches call players, it would be. Very long list. And a lot saltier than what is being discussed here
    I have never once though heard a single player ever say a negative word about Brown in the long term. In fact most players go very far out of thier way to not say anything bad about a previous coach.

    However in Jim's case the list of players who will line up to talk bad about him are long and wide.


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    And you are crossing the line for choosing to believe in gossip and the credibility of what appears to be a disgruntled former employee without harder facts to back it up.
    The last two words of my first post.


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    And please tell me... How do you know that O'Brien isn't more "understanding" of other situations compared to the average person? I do know that the man has spent a considerable amount of time helping and advocating on behalf of the homeless. He hasn't tossed the downtrodden aside or looked down upon them. I do know that he is devoted to his daughter who yes, has faced and overcome the type of challenges that most of us have never had to face. I do know that the man is not perfect, but I have always respected his work ethic and dedication to his craft.
    That's what makes humans complicated beings. Al Capone opened a soup kitchen; not a good defense for his other behavior, just like Jim's work with the homeless doesn't excuse his press comments about our players or his reported behaviors.


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    Remove your anti-O'Brien bias and don't let it color your entire perception of what is fair and what is right.
    I can't stand David Harrison. I think he's one of the biggest wastes of talent, but he just wrote something that could get him sued if not true. I don't know if it's true, but that's a very risky thing to say if not. And you're talking about what is fair and right, and I think that's way off base.

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    Default Re: Jim O'Brien called David Harrison a 'homo' during film sessions?

    This seems like the kind of thread you might see in the late summer. ...and I'm really trying to forget those two guys...

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    Probably every time he appeared in the game film. I'd assume it would happen similar to this:

    "Watch Mike here guys, because everything he is doing is correct. See how he barely uses any energy while playing defense? That's exactly what we all need to do, because if we do that we can then quickly run down the court and jack up a contested three pointer. Now on this next play, watch David be a homo. Don't do anything that he is doing, because we don't need any more homos. We need more Mike Dunleavys. Just remember, Mike = Basketball God, David = Homo."
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    What a thread. A coach uses a homophobic slur to a player, and some posters are more worried about other posters using the term "turd." Wow.
    It's not the word, per se, but the hatefulness and hurt behind that word. Unlike yourself, apparently, I believe in true equality, which means insulting and slandering someone is wrong regardless of their sexual preference. That includes gummy's personal attack against Jim O'Brien, which I found both vicious and classless, especially considering the lack of evidence that Jim O'Brien is anything other than a great human being.

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    I have never once though heard a single player ever say a negative word about Brown in the long term. In fact most players go very far out of thier way to not say anything bad about a previous coach.

    However in Jim's case the list of players who will line up to talk bad about him are long and wide.
    There were two players on our team that I never heard say anything negative (publicly) about JOB after he was fired. (who dealt with him for longer than six months) AJ Price and TJ Ford. And being who those two players are, I have to believe it has more to do with a personal belief that you don't talk negatively about a coach, than actual feelings about Jimmy.

    It's so bad, that Brandon and Roy were talking about DC having to deal with JOB this year.

    I think this is just another example of JOB being JOB. Nothing shocking. Apparently He wasn't speaking to Wells either.

    We are talking about classy "good" guys here. Roy Hibbert and Tyler Hansbrough type of guys. (I mean really, when Tyler talks it's a big deal. And for anything but a politically correct statement to come out of his mouth...)

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    For the record I think GRHibbert is being a turd and its comical to see his holier than thou attitude next to his Portland sucks picture.

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    For the record I think GRHibbert is being a turd and its comical to see his holier than thou attitude next to his Portland sucks picture.
    Classy.

    For the record: The Portland sucks avatar is subtle little joke; it's not meant to be taken seriously.

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    Subtle? This is getting as bad as literally.

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    The last two words of my first post.
    I did read your first post, but your second post discarded the hypothetical. I'm sure that many fans on here are assuming that it's true. I agree with your general point that there is no place for these types of slurs.


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    That's what makes humans complicated beings. Al Capone opened a soup kitchen; not a good defense for his other behavior, just like Jim's work with the homeless doesn't excuse his press comments about our players or his reported behaviors.
    I agree that opening a soup kitchen does not offset the criminal acts of a gangster. I like your remark about human beings being complicated because it's an underlying part of my message: Well-meaning fans may have had some philosophical differences with Coach O'Brien's coaching schemes and demanding approach, but I don't think it's right to then leap to the assumption that every single negative thing said about the man is probably true. Rick Carlisle and Frank Vogel also seem like reasonable men to me. My presumption is that Rick Carlisle would not have hired him--and Frank Vogel would not have worked for him in Boston, Philadelphia and Indiana--if he was the type of leader to use offensive slurs. That to me carries more weight than David Harrison barking for some attention on twitter.

    O'Brien has never said anything in the media about his players that I have found personally offensive, but I respect that many looked at the issue differently. "Irrelevant--do it in a winning effort." "Roy needs to do better." A litmus test on who has the mental toughness to push through, because we didn't want sunshine patriots. I was fine with it and never understood all the fuss, but that's me.



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    I can't stand David Harrison. I think he's one of the biggest wastes of talent, but he just wrote something that could get him sued if not true. I don't know if it's true, but that's a very risky thing to say if not. And you're talking about what is fair and right, and I think that's way off base.
    I'd say there is about a 1% chance of David Harrison being sued over this or other statements on twitter. I'm sure if he wanted to he could continue to smear O'Brien with impunity. And I'm sure Mike Wells will continue to draw attention to it, because he lacks the self-awareness to know any better.

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    It's not the word, per se, but the hatefulness and hurt behind that word. Unlike yourself, apparently, I believe in true equality, which means insulting and slandering someone is wrong regardless of their sexual preference. That includes gummy's personal attack against Jim O'Brien, which I found both vicious and classless, especially considering the lack of evidence that Jim O'Brien is anything other than a great human being.
    I find it interesting that you have mentioned my comment more than once even though I was responding in agreement to someone else who called JOB a turd first, which you've seen fit to ignore. Curious.

    Nonetheless, I'll own up to the fact that it's not a particularly classy thing to say. Anyone who has paid the slightest bit of attention to my posts over the years knows that I almost always refrain from name calling. But, I'm human and sometimes things slip out. I think characterizing it as "vicious" is a bit over the top, really, but OK. Most everyone else knows that I don't know JOB personally and can infer that I am not making a comment on his character off the court. From what I know of him as a coach I do not like what I've seen one bit. We have plenty of evidence that he was a bad coach and not a very nice guy at all to many of his players. I suppose that all sounds nicer than agreeing that he is a turd, so there ya go.
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    Apology accepted.

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    I have never once though heard a single player ever say a negative word about Brown in the long term. In fact most players go very far out of thier way to not say anything bad about a previous coach.

    However in Jim's case the list of players who will line up to talk bad about him are long and wide.
    A big difference though is that most of the time Larry Brown had talented teams that were largely shoe-ins to have winning seasons. When you win, then of course the demanding coaches are seen in a more positive light. No one cared what a bunch of knucklehead nobodies on the Knicks had to say during Brown's disastrous season. And no one cares what a nobody like Darko Milicic has to say. Guys like Ben Wallace Rasheed Wallace and Chauncey Billups are tough-minded, persistent, non-fragile types, so of course they could handle a little sparring and they're not going to run home crying to momma. Most of the players on our team have already proven that they were not of that same level. They don't have the mental toughness that a young Paul Pierce had. Heck, Roy Hibbert continues to prove it over and over and over again. I've said it before and I'll say it again even though it was blasphemy to some when I made the point a year ago--I would rather have a healthy Anderson Varejao over a healthy Roy Hibbert. His rebounding and defense and toughness are always dependable, and the guy just knows how to play winning basketball. The very fact that Roy Hibbert was so bothered by little 'ole Jimmy O'Brien was enough for me to know that the guy was not deserving of a max deal. But that's another topic, and yeah, maybe we didn't have a choice.

    When O'Brien won in Boston, there was not a "list of players who will line up to talk bad about him long and wide." To quote O'Brien from the prior link....

    "We had a great thing going there," O'Brien said. "We had almost an ideal situation where I loved the players. They did it with their work ethic. As a result there was a close bond of players and coaching staff. We had a terrific couple years.

    "[Watching the trades] was painful. A group like that is hard to replace. [Ainge] had his reasons to tear it down and build it up to win a championship. It was too painful for me."

    Said Ainge: "He's a good coach. A good person. I wish him well. I have no ill feelings about Jim O'Brien. He just wasn't comfortable in the situation he was in. I understood it."

    But yes... when you are losing... even if you are in the process of overachieving in terms of the win-loss column, well, losing is still losing. And after a couple of years it's difficult for a lot of players to continue to play for a very demanding coach when the reward of winning is not there immediately.

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    This thread is silly.

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    It's not the word, per se, but the hatefulness and hurt behind that word. Unlike yourself, apparently, I believe in true equality, which means insulting and slandering someone is wrong regardless of their sexual preference. That includes gummy's personal attack against Jim O'Brien, which I found both vicious and classless, especially considering the lack of evidence that Jim O'Brien is anything other than a great human being.
    This coming from the guy with the Portland Sucks avatar? Suicide capital is a 'subtle little joke'?
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    I have never once though heard a single player ever say a negative word about Brown in the long term. In fact most players go very far out of thier way to not say anything bad about a previous coach.

    However in Jim's case the list of players who will line up to talk bad about him are long and wide.
    A) I think Brown was/is a jerk and vastly overrated. Nearly every moment of success featured helpful roster changes just as he stepped in.

    B) Eddie Johnson has trashed Brown with a specific story about how Reggie was busting it every practice, coming in first and leaving last, and yet Brown would still rip on him the most. The guys saw that and thought "what chance do I have if this guy thinks the hardest worker isn't trying".

    Brown, like JOB, is the outdated old school jerk type that believes you must Marine boot camp style break everyone down to whimpering losers just so they will then buy into what you do and respect you as their leader. And that's been a big mistake in the era of high paid star athletes, especially the ones who have some brains and character. Tim Duncan doesn't want to hear how much he sucks, he wants to hear reason, respect and accountability.



    Having said that, I agree with Peck that the line to trash JOB is drastically longer than the one for Brown. I'm just saying Brown was no saint and I really came to dislike him the more I learned and studied.


    One of Brown's greatest turn-arounds was the Spurs. His first year with them he...did jack s***. His magic hadn't kicked in. But in year 2, boy did they learn from him. Like they learned how to add BOTH David Robinson and Sean Elliot in the same year due to David's Navy service delay.

    Pacers only added Tony from Europe and then only added Jax. And then Brown didn't want Jax because he wanted Rose, who he then decided to prove a point to and benched him completely. Then he wanted Jax back in the very same season. This ran the team into the dirt and got his a** canned.

    Brown was a classic case of "well he sure was better than the crappy coach" syndrome, where he replaced the underachieving Bob Hill who was wasting tons of talent and only got to stay because he had replaced the god awful Versace.

    Brown knows some X's and O's, but he knows business and good situations even more. And he's kind of a selfish jerk.

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    I'm just wondering in what situations he called him a homo.
    I picture JOB in the role of Big Bob and David Harrison in the role of Harold and Kumar
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