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    Sure, but then we need to acquire a better point guard than Augustin

    Acquiring a better PG than anyone on the Pacers roster should be a PRIORITY! This has been a need for years that has never been fixed.

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    I think we can blame Orien Greene for that one.

    You can blame Walsh wanting a big PG for Orien Greene.

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    The backup PG for the Jazz dealt 14 assists in a start the other night. I wonder if he's available......


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    I'm 100% sure Augustine isn't the answer.

    Augustin perhaps...

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    Ooops.

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    At this point, might as well try Ben...
    BENSANITY!!! BRING IT!

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    Pretty sad when our only hope is a poor man's Tyler.
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    Pretty sad when our only hope is a poor man's Tyler.
    That makes no sense on any number of levels.
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    Put me in the not a good idea group. DJ has been the worst player in the rotation. Ben Hansbrough really isn't a PG. Shuffling the rotation so they get more playing time just doesn't make sense to me.

    Put me in the play Lance and Hill together more group. They both seem able to play the 1 or 2 and switch back and forth as needed. That seems more of a long term solution. If DJ is not playing well enough by January, Ben can be released or DJ can be traded to free up an extra roster spot for a new PG. or if Lance is playing well enough, let him be the backup 2.

    Right now DJ is not playing well, not shooting well and cannot defend at all. It just doesn't seem an idea that will make the team better.

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    Default Re: Is it time to put Hill at the 2?

    How about Paul George and Tyler Hansbrough plus 2 future first rounders for John Wall?

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    How about Paul George and Tyler Hansbrough plus 2 future first rounders for John Wall?
    SOUNDS GREAT TO ME!!!!!!!!!! , but Washington would decline that pretty quickly........ Wall, Hill, Granger, West, and Hibbert could be a deadly line-up come play-off time

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    SOUNDS GREAT TO ME!!!!!!!!!! , but Washington would decline that pretty quickly........ Wall, Hill, Granger, West, and Hibbert could be a deadly line-up come play-off time
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    I think it is best to consider both Lance and Hill as just guards, not SG or PG.

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    Yeah lets trade George , Hansbrough and 2 - #1's for a guard who isn't playing because of knee surgery, NOT !!! who shoots 41% from the field and 24% from 3 point range. His 7% from 3 point range was impressive last season. Latest report is he COULD be back in 6 weeks. Sorry I have no interest in a volumn shot scorer who's game is based on speed coming off patella knee surgery. Expecially at the cost you want to give up.
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    Yeah lets trade George , Hansbrough and 2 - #1's for a guard who isn't playing because of knee surgery, NOT !!! who shoots 41% from the field and 24% from 3 point range. His 7% from 3 point range was impressive last season. Latest report is he COULD be back in 6 weeks. Sorry I have no interest in a volumn shot scorer who's game is based on speed coming off patella knee surgery. Expecially at the cost you want to give up.
    Um, you know nothing about John Wall. He is not a scorer first PG. He is a true point guard who doesn't play well on a team where he is the main scorer. He would be 20x better for us and i'm willing to wait to get him and he will be healthy soon.

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    Sure, but then we need to acquire a better point guard than Augustin
    We need to acquire a PG period. Hill is not one and the other two are not good enough to even be mediocre back ups. Really surprised Sundiata Gaines didn't make this roster.
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    huh, I thought dimonddave was right. One of the things I thought was true about Wall is that he is more athlete than PG. Trading Paul, Tyler and a couple of #1's seems way too much, at least IMO.

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    Yeah lets trade George , Hansbrough and 2 - #1's for a guard who isn't playing because of knee surgery, NOT !!! who shoots 41% from the field and 24% from 3 point range. His 7% from 3 point range was impressive last season. Latest report is he COULD be back in 6 weeks. Sorry I have no interest in a volume shot scorer who's game is based on speed coming off patella knee surgery. Especially at the cost you want to give up.
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    Um, you know nothing about John Wall. He is not a scorer first PG. He is a true point guard who doesn't play well on a team where he is the main scorer. He would be 20x better for us and i'm willing to wait to get him and he will be healthy soon.

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    John Wall takes 18 shots per 48 minutes not exactly a pass first point. While he does average 8 assist per game he also averages 4 turnovers per. Paul George + 2 #1's and T. Hansbrough is far too much to give up.

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    Default Re: Is it time to put Hill at the 2?

    Hill looks pretty good as a PG this game.

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    Based on how Augustin has played this year I think we need to be looking for ways for him to play less, not more...

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    Default Re: Is it time to put Hill at the 2?

    I think Hill is more of a 2 than a 1, but if that means starting DJ Augustin, I am not signing off on that noise.

    And Lance Stephenson is even more of a 2 than a 1, so I am good with the current arrangement.

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    Not a big DC fan but we could sure use him at the point. None of our PGs are playing worth, well you know the four letter word Im thinking of. The offense starts with the PG and without one we are going to flounder. I'm a big fan of Hill but I think even he would tell you that he is better at the 2 than the point. Besides that, the loss of Granger as our outside threat, is also hurting our offense. I'm surprised that Paul George hasn't picked up any of the slack there. So let me see, we don't have a point guard or an outside shooter. Is it any wonder then that we are losing????

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    Lance has been the Pacers most efficient scorer. How does Vogel not draw up more plays for him? If Lance can keep scoring efficiently, he's going to garner more attention and PG and Hibbs will get less, so then maybe those two will play better if defenses are focusing on them so much.

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    I think Hill and Lance can share the 1 & 2 spot while on the floor together. Just adds another dynamic for opposing teams defenses to try and adjust to.
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    Lance has been the Pacers most efficient scorer. How does Vogel not draw up more plays for him? If Lance can keep scoring efficiently, he's going to garner more attention and PG and Hibbs will get less, so then maybe those two will play better if defenses are focusing on them so much.

    Free Lance more!
    As long as he's starting, I think he's better off getting only a few plays per game and otherwise being the last option for scoring. Not because he can't score, but because he's the guy you want taking the shot with 3 seconds left on the clock after the play fell apart. He can finish and he's got what a certain First Take personality refers to as "clutch gene." So does George Hill, but we need them both to help the other starters score. The way the season's going, if Lance averages about 30 mpg I'd expect he and Hill to have similar stats: around 12-14 ppg and 5 apg with good rebounding numbers. And if Paul George and Roy Hibbert manage to get out of their slumps, the assist numbers could go up.

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