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    Pay him no heed. He's in what we call the reality-based community. That's not the way the board really works anymore. We're an empire now, you and I, and when we post, we create our own reality. And while they're studying that reality - judiciously, as they will - we'll post again, creating other new realities, which they can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're Pacers Digest's actors...and them, all of them, will be left to just study what we post.
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    Then as a small market team, you may never succeed......
    You are so full of it.


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    Pay him no heed. He's in what we call the reality-based community. That's not the way the board really works anymore. We're an empire now, you and I, and when we post, we create our own reality. And while they're studying that reality - judiciously, as they will - we'll post again, creating other new realities, which they can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're Pacers Digest's actors...and them, all of them, will be left to just study what we post.
    That's some sweet sarcastic Rove-droppin' there pal. And yet somehow I like your version even better. It certainly is appropriate.

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    You are so full of it.

    Well sorry but there is ever so slightly the possibility that he is right here. Don't forget he did say "may" thus not saying it was impossible.

    But one of the real things I had to come to grips with early last summer after a two man team beat our balanced 5 man roster. The NBA is now more than ever a large market star driven league and teams like the Pacers, Bucks, Wolves, etc. are going to have to compete a different way and that way may never work.

    Don't get me wrong I don't like it any more than you do but the truth is there.


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    Raises hand.....
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    If that is the 8-man core that we need to keep growing, we've got a second round ceiling. It's going to take a big move. It may even take a few big moves. But I know that sitting tight isn't the way to go. I think Bird knows that too. I always take everything he says in press conferences with a truckload of salt simply because I know his personality. I think he'll swing for the fences. We may strike out, but I'd rather give it the chance to get over the wall rather than being content with a bloop single. I assume Bird feels the same way.
    I posted this after Bird's press conference to end the year when it was still generally thought he'd be back. I thought we were going to make some major moves because it was clear that we needed to. Obviously, that did not happen. I'm not going to say that Bird left because he wasn't going to have the chance to do what he wanted but the idea has plausibility. We certainly didn't try for the homer. We didn't really do anything but hope we could draw a walk like we did a season ago.

    Last year, everything broke in our favor. And we still weren't a legit contender in any sense of the word.

    For what it is worth, while I didn't think we were nearly as good as our record indicated last year, I don't think we are nearly as bad as we've looked so far this year. We'll still be in the playoffs. Depending on how the seeds bear out we'll still have a chance to win a series but the ceiling hasn't been raised.
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    I posted this after Bird's press conference to end the year when it was still generally thought he'd be back. I thought we were going to make some major moves because it was clear that we needed to. Obviously, that did not happen. I'm not going to say that Bird left because he wasn't going to have the chance to do what he wanted but the idea has plausibility. We certainly didn't try for the homer. We didn't really do anything but hope we could draw a walk like we did a season ago.

    Last year, everything broke in our favor. And we still weren't a legit contender in any sense of the word.

    For what it is worth, while I didn't think we were nearly as good as our record indicated last year, I don't think we are nearly as bad as we've looked so far this year. We'll still be in the playoffs. Depending on how the seeds bear out we'll still have a chance to win a series but the ceiling hasn't been raised.
    I wonder if the reason Bird left was because he wanted to make a big move (aka shake up the starting unit) while TPTB only wanted to focus on improving the bench. If so, Bird is coming out of this looking like a genius, which may lead to him being back here next year.

    Food for thought.

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    The Bird departure was strange, IMO. You don't go from saying in late May that you'd "do it today (come back) if Herbie was here" to outright leaving in June unless something big happens. Could it have been his health? Of course. But he had all year to evaluate his health and he seemingly felt fine in May, judging by his comments. I think something happened once he did finally meet with Herb.

    I would have love to have seen what Bird could have done had he stayed here and had free reign to do whatever he wanted. I'm confident that he wouldn't have traded Collison for such a lame package. What's the over/under for how many points Collison lights us up for tonight?

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    The Bird departure was strange, IMO. You don't go from saying in late May that you'd "do it today (come back) if Herbie was here" to outright leaving in June unless something big happens. Could it have been his health? Of course. But he had all year to evaluate his health and he seemingly felt fine in May, judging by his comments. I think something happened once he did finally meet with Herb.
    I would have love to have seen what Bird could have done had he stayed here and had free reign to do whatever he wanted. I'm confident that he wouldn't have traded Collison for such a lame package. What's the over/under for how many points Collison lights us up for tonight?

    I'm wondering when all the people that supported the trade as good for both teams will admit that Cuban flat out fleeced Walsh. Not even a pick out of the deal.

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    And... If you could merely go beyond creating new realities to constantly switching realities on the same issue, just think how far you could go. He'll, you could probably even run for some high office. Like president. Of course your new reality might be that you would lose. Oh, wait...
    The political undertones of your comment threaten to propel us both into a bit of a quagmire here. I don't do quagmires. If it's a legitimate political statement, the moderators have ways to try and shut the whole thing down - and I don't want to be involved. Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me...you can't get fooled again.

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    Well sorry but there is ever so slightly the possibility that he is right here. Don't forget he did say "may" thus not saying it was impossible.

    But one of the real things I had to come to grips with early last summer after a two man team beat our balanced 5 man roster. The NBA is now more than ever a large market star driven league and teams like the Pacers, Bucks, Wolves, etc. are going to have to compete a different way and that way may never work.

    Don't get me wrong I don't like it any more than you do but the truth is there.
    And this is why many clammer for tanking. It may be the ONLY way a small market team ever has a chance to get that Superstar. And even that requires some luck. See San Antonio and Oklahoma.
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    Yes, is not the reason to play each year to win it all? Anything else is a failure.
    I agree that the team and management have to look at it that way. They are the professionals, it is their job.

    Having such an all-or-nothing attitude as a fan strikes me as extremely counterproductive. As fans, we're in this for the joy of it, and to deny yourself any feeling that your team has accomplished anything if they aren't the one team of 30 to win the championship seems like a road to bitterness, not a way to enjoy oneself.

    I mean, when there's a team as dominant as Miami out there, why bother being a fan at all (except of Miami) until the situation changes?
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    I'm wondering when all the people that supported the trade as good for both teams will admit that Cuban flat out fleeced Walsh. Not even a pick out of the deal.
    If I thought it was a trade made for the purpose of talent acquisition, sure, he got fleeced. My understanding is that they felt they had to make a financial cut, and that's how they opted to do it.

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    If I thought it was a trade made for the purpose of talent acquisition, sure, he got fleeced. My understanding is that they felt they had to make a financial cut, and that's how they opted to do it.
    I don't really buy the financial cut part, not that it wasn't considered a plus. None of the players involved are making that much, and neither Collison or Jones had long term contracts left. In fact I think they both were on the last season. To me it seems more likely that Collison wanted out.

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    I agree that the team and management have to look at it that way. They are the professionals, it is their job.

    Having such an all-or-nothing attitude as a fan strikes me as extremely counterproductive. As fans, we're in this for the joy of it, and to deny yourself any feeling that your team has accomplished anything if they aren't the one team of 30 to win the championship seems like a road to bitterness, not a way to enjoy oneself.

    I mean, when there's a team as dominant as Miami out there, why bother being a fan at all (except of Miami) until the situation changes?
    This is, and has been, my problem with the club. I don't get the sense that they have been taking steps towards that one goal. A team looking to go "all-in" doesn't use their expansive cap space to overpay their own guys (I'm not including Hibbert in this, while he was overpaid I felt and still feel that matching was a necessity) and sign bargain bin guys who are a wash with what was lost.

    We had a chance, however small it may have been, to make the next step. We stood pat. That, as a fan, is disappointing.
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