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All we can do at this point is judge the team based on our preconceived notions and what we have seen from our team this season. That's it, and that's all we are doing. Are we pissed off about it? Damn right we are. We expected more from this team, we haven't seen it, and we haven't seen it getting any better--in fact, I'd argue that last night was the single worst performance of the season thus far, included the Charlotte debacle.
Pissing and moaning about it is one thing; to make outlandish "fire vogel", "this team was never good, we've been lucky", "trade hibbert", "trade PG", "bring back DC" claims isn't suggesting anything rational or logical.
Edit: And don't act like you are the only one that has been around here and seen this board acting like this before--it's patronizing. We have all seen it. Sometimes justified, often times not.
If we've all seen this before --- then why are we engaging in it again? Especially, as you just admitted, it's often not justified, and "sometimes" would be a generous adjective. THis is probly why I'm going at it like I am, because I know most of you should know better than this.
There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.