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    What adjustments do you make when your post player is just missing shots?
    I'm not the one preaching on waiting for adjustments.

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    Now all of a sudden they're 3-5 without granger and Roy is just a passenger on the train?
    Same logic can be applied to Danny. He's been their undeniably best player for the past 4 seasons and he's just a passenger on the train?

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    We were down by 2-4 points the last minute or so, and every timeout Roy just stood there. No passion. No fire. I'm sorry but that is not same 'ol Roy. That is senior year at Georgetown Roy maybe, but that is not the guy we watched last year.
    Definitely not what you want to see from someone that should be a leader on this team.

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    He's not happy with his play. You guys are really stretching here.
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    He's not happy with his play. You guys are really stretching here.
    Ok. I'm glad he's not "happy". I think it's more likely he was pouting that Tyler was playing instead of him.

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    Omg you guys are all a buncha of drama queens. Let's not invent crap that isn't true or substantial.
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    Yea, Kstat, that's exactly what I said. By saying that Danny Granger is our best player, I basically said Roy is a passenger on a train.

    Wtf are you talking about.
    You keep saying "were 3-5 because we don't have our best player." this basically absolves hibbert of any and all responsibility because it implies that the pacers are only as good as granger.

    That would be acceptable from a team standpoint if Roy hibbert wasn't re-signed to a max deal on the premise that he was supposed to be the franchise player. If the pacers are struggling and hibbert isn't carrying his weight, that is on him. Not granger, not frank, not management.

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    Omg you guys are all a buncha of drama queens. Let's not invent crap that isn't true or substantial.
    You have just as much proof that Roy's bad body language was because of his bad play as I do that it was about Tyler playing the clutch minutes instead of him.

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    He's not happy with his play. You guys are really stretching here.
    I think we can all agree that Roy wears his emotions on his sleeve. That's just who he is. We knew that before and after the contract. When the shots start falling, and they will, those emotions will help fire the team up just like they did last year. Right now, it sucks. Hopefully it turns around soon.
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    You keep saying "were 3-5 because we don't have our best player." this basically absolves hibbert of any and all responsibility because it implies that the pacers are only as good as granger.
    Absolutely incorrect. My comment was about DANNY GRANGER. Nothing to do with Roy Hibbert.
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    Same logic can be applied to Danny. He's been their undeniably best player for the past 4 seasons and he's just a passenger on the train?
    He isn't the same guy he was before. If you'd like to argue that he's going to get a max deal himself next summer, then you have a case.

    Maybe the pacers rebound or hibbert rebounds from this and has a great season. I'm just saying it doesn't look good for hibbert right now and it's gong to snowball fast if he doesn't start playing like a franchise center.
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    You have just as much proof that Roy's bad body language was because of his bad play as I do that it was about Tyler playing the clutch minutes instead of him.
    This all stemmed from me saying Granger was our best player, and he's out because of injury and the team has to adjust to his loss.

    Somehow it turned into a insane conversation about Roy's body language and being mad about Hansbrough. You gotta be kiddin me.

    This is classic "reading too much into nothing." Drama drama drama. Knee-jerk reactions. It's all here a-plenty
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    Strange how losing a few games at the start of a season can be said to be very low basketball IQ. This is the same group that played so well last year. Did they get dumbed down in the off season? This is just silly....
    This isn't the same team as last year - to say that it is is silly. There are several additions and subtractions to this roster and they are making a lot of mistakes.

    My hope is that players start hitting the open shots. The team is getting good looks - they are just missing them. I'm also glad that the FO didn't sign a big name FA many wanted last summer with the initials EG. Could you imagine that...
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    This all stemmed from me saying Granger was our best player, and he's out because of injury and the team has to adjust to his loss.

    Somehow it turned into a insane conversation about Roy's body language and being mad about Hansbrough. You gotta be kiddin me.

    This is classic "reading too much into nothing." Drama drama drama. Knee-jerk reactions. It's all here a-plenty
    huh? You and I started out by talking about how I should give this team more time. I was never really talking about Danny vs. Roy.

    If we are this dependent on Danny, then Roy was not worth $14 million. So if that is how you want to spin it then so be it.

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    If we are this dependent on Danny, then Roy was not worth $14 million. So if that is how you want to spin it then so be it.
    This.

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    I'm also glad that the FO didn't sign a big name FA many wanted last summer with the initials EG. Could you imagine that...
    Yeah the Pacers could be 3 - 5... sorry, couldn't resist.
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    No "huh" --- that's what happened. I said this team has lost it's best player and has a new bench, and needed a transition period. Next thing I know I'm being told Roy is our best player, that I think he's a "passenger on a train" (which is absolutely untrue), that his body language is bad, and he's mad about Hansbrough.

    You tell me what happened. I never once mentioned Roy except to respond to people.
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    He isn't the same guy he was before. If you'd like to argue that he's going to get a max deal himself next summer, then you have a case.
    Clearly. But Roy's contract wasn't based purely on production either, but rather projection. So saying Roy is the best player, because he got the biggest contract, doesn't fit either.

    Whether or not you think Danny is the best player, he's been the most important player. Look at the way the Pacers crumbled in the playoffs when he went down with his ankle injury.

    Danny's absence from the team isn't just some footnote.

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    It's all a bunch of tangents. I'm going with my company line, as always. Lulls are going to happen. We have a new bench. We have our top guy out. It's not the end of the world. Not interested in arguing semantics.
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    No "huh" --- that's what happened. I said this team has lost it's best player and has a new bench, and needed a transition period. Next thing I know I'm being told Roy is our best player, that I think he's a "passenger on a train" (which is absolutely untrue), that his body language is bad, and he's mad about Hansbrough.

    You tell me what happened. I never once mentioned Roy except to respond to people.
    I brought up Roy as a reason not to wait on the team. His body language is horrid. Peck mentioned it in the original post of this very thread. That is completely relevant to whether or not I should be waiting on this team to get better.

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    If you don't wanna wait, then don't. We'll cya when the team "meets your standards again". Lol.
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    I brought up Roy as a reason not to wait on the team. His body language is horrid. Peck mentioned it in the original post of this very thread. That is completely relevant to whether or not I should be waiting on this team to get better.
    Roy having horrible body language and missing easy shots should be evidence that the Pacers aren't playing as well as they should be, not evidence that this is what they are.

    I think we all can agree Roy has been bad.

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    There's nothing wrong with saying the pacers aren't as good without granger.

    Likewise, Roy can't get away with going down with the ship. He thinks he's a franchise type center, then he has to start paying like one. That has nothing to do with granger being hurt.
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    If you don't wanna wait, then don't. We'll cya when the team "meets your standards again". Lol.
    I don't understand what your issue is here, are you really happy with how the team is performing? What's the magic number of games before you want to see changes? I didn't know there was a rule for that, please enlighten me. We're almost 1/8 of the way through the season, while not a huge amount, that's not exactly small either.

    I'll be more than happy if we suddenly rip of an 8 game winning streak, but I don't see it happening right now.

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    I completely agree with that Kstat. I never said he wasn't responsible.

    He's not playing well, as is most of the team, that much has been discussed to death. I still think they'll turn things around.
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