THE SKY IS FALLING!!
THE SKY IS FALLING!!
GRANGER!! FOR THE WIN.............. IT'S GOOD!!!!!
I actually thought the offense looked better today as far as movement, passing, and getting good looks. I'm not saying it was good overall, just better than before. Just couldn't hit the broad side of a barn
Roy desperately needs to develop a pump fake in the post. He has one move right now, the baby hook, and its not falling. Time to try something new. One pump, get your defender in the air, and dunk. Tyler could benefit greatly from this as well.
Tyler has been a very pleasant surprise, he played great D tonight on players both bigger/stronger than him and smaller/quicker. Not a great stat line but that doesn't tell how good he played.
The defense looked very good at times, no thanks to Roy. Roy is letting his offensive funk affect the other aspects, defense and rebounding. THAT is unacceptable.
DJ Augustin has not contributed positively on one single play on either side of the court in his entire time as a Pacer I can't believe we thought he was going to be better, or even comparable to DC. I thought his one major talent was supposed to be his passing, I've seen some really terrible passes from him so far.
Paul George was absolutely terrible. I cringed every time he got the ball in his hands. Not only that but he was getting lit up by DeRozan. Hopefully his defense isn't regressing.
So where do we go from here? Even with Granger back, its very clear this team won't be contending for championships or even the Eastern Conference anytime soon. Back to being middle of the road. Lovely.
Here's what I want to know. What happened between the beginning of training camp and the beginning of the regular season? According to everyone we picked up right where we left off. Granger was not really practicing when those comments were being made, so it's not that.
The play of this team right now is horrible, it is entirely inexplicable, and it is embarrassing. IF they somehow get it together in a few days and start playing well it won't change what happened the first 8 games of the season.
This team could win 70% of their games on out and we'll still look at each other at the end of the season and ask, "wtf happened those first 8 games? that was pathetic."
In other words, what they do in the future doesn't change what they've already done, and what they've already done is play **** poor basketball.
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Read it and weep:
When George Hill is above 15% usage we won 73.5% of games. Below 15% usage we won 61.9%
Why David West wasn't on the floor for the last play????????
I'd go along with replacing Vogel if someone like Sloan were available but I think Walsh should be canned first. We had chemistry last year and didn't need to turn over our entire bench for the sake of change. Give me DC, Jones, and Barbosa over DJ, and Green and we win this game along with at least 2 of our other losses. We should have just offered Kaman a 3/24 and called it a day.
Can we start a please come home Larry movement?
@HPbasketball: I'll say it. I think the Pacers would be better off with Collison and Kawhi.
I just wanna say this, teams get off to bad starts, it happens. Last year people were saying Boston needed to blow it up before the all-star break. They went on to the EC Finals.
Kawhi has perhaps the best coach in the league along with Tim Duncan, who would make an excellent coach if he wanted to right now.
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Donnie Walsh had this team on a fast track out of town before he moved on to NY. Now he's back to finish the job.
Seriously, Bird's leaving was one thing (and I will forever believe it was because Simon balked at doing whatever it was Bird thought needed to happen for the next step)... but Donnie Walsh returning just was the icing on the turd as far as I'm concerned.
Everything last season had brought back had a giant wet blanket thrown on it in a hurry. And now that the off season still looks 'blah' and counter-productive at best (a lot like it felt like at the time) I don't have much hope for these problems being quickly addressed as long as Walsh is here. So it's another wet blanket.
And I don't think Herb Simon has the balls or competitive fire to demand changes and answers. Maybe in the business world he's competitive but I think as far as the NBA goes, it's just an expensive hobby and billionaire status symbol.
And yeah... the season could still turn around. But it's hard to believe that can happen without a fire being lit and we're back to TPTB....
Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.
"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."
Sorry but I can't help not posting anymore. new member here from the Philippines. I actually made a new account since I can't post with my 6month old account before. JO with that max contract at least lived up to his hype until injuries bothered him. I don't see that in Hibbert. He can't even handle the pressure that comes with being the highest paid player. And if he really did cry? Please!!!! Enough sulking already! get your heads up high for ****st's sake!! This team almost always talks about smashmouth basketball. The Fever never talked about or claimed they were but they looked more smashmouth to me.
Usually I'd be all for "let them right the ship, they'll turn it around, it's early" blah blah blah. And a bit of me's still reserved to that because the only thing I can do is send tweets to Kevin Pritchard.
But this team has shown me absolutely nothing to make me think they actually can turn it around. I'm legitimately ready for a firesale. I love Roy to death but we've got to move that contract. I understand why they matched the offer, I supported it. But I was wrong.
This team is bad.
"I like our group of people," Ainge told USA Today. "I'm trying to teach them about basketball, and they're trying to teach me about analytics."
How is this all at DW's feet as far as offseason moves? Not saying he wasn't a part, but what about Bird's golden boy Pritchard? Is he not part of the personnel decision brain trust?
When DJ first got in the game he was aggressively pushing the ball upcourt. He hit a kick-out three. I thought maybe he might finally show something of worth. WRONG. He quickly reverted back to his typical early season form, as did almost everyone else.
Only people I was really content with were Tyler and Mahinmi. Neither were big stats, but at least they hustled and scrapped throughout. Rest of the team goes through huge periods where they play with no fire whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, still think Dallas fleeced us in the Ian deal talent - wise, but I appreciated his effort last night. Seems to me his last couple games have been better that previous showings.
I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.
No the sky isn't falling. Losing to pathetic teams and getting blown out by the one good playoff team doesn't bode well. Have the Pacers made any adjustments? Other than some roster switches, no. The Pacers have the same problems they've had since Frank took over. Nothing has changed and teams know that.
For everyone that thinks things will get better, or that things are just rosy...you tell the rest of us when and how.
I'm not panicking right now, but something has to change. For me, all signs point to Vogel simply not being ready to be a head coach yet. He could be really good one day, but he's got to learn the Xs and Os and how to get guys to execute properly.
Even through the first 8 games or so, what has changed? Other than swapping out guys in the starting lineup, nothing has freaking changed! Still can't execute, offense is still nonexistent, can't set proper screens/picks and still can't defend them well.
I'm fine with the players on the roster. The bench still might not be a great improvement, but there is a lot of talent on this roster.
Again, sky isn't falling and I'm not in panic mode. I'm beyond frustration for seeing no improvement since Vogel took over. I'm willing to give Vogel more time, but I don't think this team will make that turn into a contender.
I can only wonder how patient management will be before making some changes. Pacers are supposed to be good and haven't been playing that way. Most of you probably forgot that the Pacers are still trying to win fans back. They aren't going to win fans back with this team playing like ****.
3 scenarios for the draft, starting with my favorite first:
1. Pacers trade up for Justice Winslow
2. Take WCS or Stanley Johnson (this is the theory of a player falling); Make trades (Hibbert/West/others) for additional picks - George Lucas and Rakeem Christmas are players I'd love to have with a late first/early 2nd round
3. Trey Lyles
I'm sure my opinion will change many times before the draft though.
I don't know what it means (hint: not a damn thing) but I wanted to dump Hansbrough and Lance for basically anything before the season started.
And now they're two of the best 3/4 players on the entire team. I was wrong about what they could contribute. That's great. But I was immensely wrong about how important they'd be. That's awful. In August if you shook the 8 ball and it told you Tyler Hansbrough and Lance Stephenson were the only real glimmers of hope on this team you'd have shot yourself in the head. Lance finally learning how to play controlled NBA basketball and Tyler learning how to harness that 5 hour energy and do extremely positive things with it, especially on the defensive end?! Lance and Tyler have been great. I cannot express how much I appreciate Hansbrough, and I wanted to give him away.
Everybody else? Mahinmi's a decent 3rd big. The midrange J's confident and it's money (way more than West's). Everybody else? Dump em. I mean it.
Blow the damn thing up. This roster's not doing dick except maybe make the playoffs, and what's the point in that? Danny's good, but he's not freaking Lebron. Losing him should not leave us begging for the 8th seed. This team is unobjectively bad.
If it ain't the team it's the coaching staff. One of them needs to change. Quickly.
I think we should start Ian nd give him some more minutes. If Roy isn't going to play right, then bench him nd send him a message. With Danny's injury, it's tough to do the same with PG but he needs to be told to get his head out of his a$$ too. I'm on board with trading either one at this point. We need someone else that can shoot/score aside from Hill nd West.
I kinda wish we could've gotten in on the Hareb deal. If not to get Harden, then at least to pick up K-Mart who had 1yr left on his deal. PG would look good on OKC as a spot up shooter/perimeter defender.
Now that ship has sailed, I truly hope the FO looks hard nd long around the league nd flips some assets bc this team is starting to regress. (Lookin at you Paul, Roy, DJ)