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    Do you not pay attention to the defensive end of the court at all?
    This is not something that should be said when Hibbert was literally beaten as badly as Gerald Green at the end of the 4th. And let's not forget that it was his predictably clutch turnover that gave the Wolves momentum before George Hill bailed him out. Not a good night to be defending R0y. And that's without factoring in his contract and the expectations. He's failing by little money R0y standards right now.

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    So you didn't see easy lay-up after easy lay-up against West all game long as a problem?
    How you defend Roy and bash West is mind boggling.

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    Default Re: Pacers/Minny postgame thread.

    I wanted Pritchard here but I admit I was wrong. Giving Roy the big money was a mistake(I was hoping he went to Portland honestly) as was trading our team chemistry and energy away.

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    So you didn't see easy lay-up after easy lay-up against West all game long as a problem?
    Okay, this is the last reply because I can't fathom how you can defend Hibbert's play so far this year by trying to emphasize West's weakness when it's obvious who's been the more valuable player by far to this point.

    Go to the game thread. You will see in the 4th qtr that I said they had to get Roy back in when Pekovic was abusing West. Both guys have weaknesses. But there's not question right now that we'd have no wins without West. Hibbert is not playing well, and he needs to take a clue from West and develop some mental toughness.
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    Are you sure the entire team is under perorming? Or do we just have no ability to build leads because we have a d leauge bench
    Roy and PG are most definitely under performing. Especially Roy. PG at least had a couple of decent games on D and on the boards. So who else is left? We've got a D League guy in our starting five. I guess you can say he's performing about how you'd expect. lol.

    The only guys not under performing are Hill, West, Lance and maybe Tyler.

    Everyone else has been hot garbage for long, long stretches.
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    I will forever believe Bird left because Simon balked at doing/spending/whatever Bird thought was necessary for the next step. Further if Simon wouldn't do it with the managerial clout Bird had built up after least season, then when would he do it?

    So if this season doesn't turn around it won't surprise me after the blah offseason we followed a nice turnaround season with.
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    Vogel messed up by having Green, who is not a good defender, on the court instead of Young.


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    Vogel said it was because Young hadn't played in 20 minutes. Huh? Didn't know u had to be warm to play defense.
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    I will forever believe Bird left because Simon balked at doing/spending/whatever Bird thought was necessary for the next step. Further if Simon wouldn't do it with the managerial clout Bird had built up after least season, then when would he do it?

    So if this season doesn't turn around it won't surprise me after the blah offseason we followed a nice turnaround season with.
    That's why I'm asking about the whole Pritchard and/or Walsh culpability for these moves. I guess it's hard to explain agreeing to the Mahinmi fleecing, but it's almost like there was an edict to do the minimum and do it cheaply.
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    Vogel messed up by having Green, who is not a good defender, on the court instead of Young.


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    wonder if Larry's been watching

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    Wait. Do you realize we're mad because our team didn't sub one of our guys who is playing like a D-Leaguer for the other guy who is playing like a D-Leaguer?

    I mean, I'm not disagreeing - Green should not have been in there. But how sad, sad, SAD is this?!?
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    Great logic! The guy doesn't have what it takes to be a head coach.

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    How you defend Roy and bash West is mind boggling.
    I am not saying Roy played well, I am just saying that despite West putting up a lot of stats his defense was one of the biggest reasons the Wolves were able to keep the lead. I am also saying over the course of this season Hibbert has been more positive than negative, just like George, but because neither is performing up to expectations on the offensive end everyone is ready to throw them under the bus. While West has an absolutely terrible game on the defensive end, people are ready to say he is part of the reason we kept it close.

    It is mind boggling how people just completely ignore the defensive side of the ball.

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    wonder if Larry's been watching
    If so, he's probably even more elated with his decision to go.
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    Wait. Do you realize we're mad because our team didn't sub one of our guys who is playing like a D-Leaguer for the other guy who is playing like a D-Leaguer?

    I mean, I'm not disagreeing - Green should not have been in there. But how sad, sad, SAD is this?!?
    You are making me laugh like crazy

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    Vogel said it was because Young hadn't played in 20 minutes.
    Bullcrap. Lance was warm.
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    Sam Young is Vogel's Michael Curry.

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    I will forever believe Bird left because Simon balked at doing/spending/whatever Bird thought was necessary for the next step. Further if Simon wouldn't do it with the managerial clout Bird had built up after least season, then when would he do it?

    So if this season doesn't turn around it won't surprise me after the blah offseason we followed a nice turnaround season with.
    Yeah, so if this is the case, why even be a fan o the Pacers?
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    How many games did Danny miss last year? I know we didn't look half this bad.

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    Can someone explain to me why our best defender, Roy, was not in to defend the last play?
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    How many games did Danny miss last year? I know we didn't look half this bad.
    4. lost to Philly and Cleveland w/o him, then he sat the last 2 games for rest, Pistons win and Bulls loss.

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    Yeah, so if this is the case, why even be a fan o the Pacers?
    Because BBall is a bigger fan than Simon.
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    Can someone explain to me why our best defender, Roy, was not in to defend the last play?
    I guess Vogel can

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    As much as I like Vogel maybe he needs to be let go and let shaw take over especially with all this laker crap going on

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    PnR pulls a big out, West/Hibbert rotate, no one else rotates (normally Danny?) and then we bash their defense. Maybe I'll rewatch it and see how many times this happened.

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