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    David West 19 points 13 rebounds. George Hill 29 points 7 assists 5 rebounds 1 block 1 steal 2 TO.
    Not coincidentally, these two are probably the most mentally tough on our team by quite a lot. The only person that even comes close is Tyler. Everyone else (minus Lance) has folded like a ****ing accordion under the pressure of No Danny Granger-itis.

    I hope someone on our staff is dialing up that sports psychiatrist...
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    Frank won't last the year at this pace.
    Nor should he.

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    Is there a player like Javale we could trade Hibbert for?
    we dont need to lower the basketball iq of the team any lower than it is now.
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    This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.

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    Default Re: Pacers/Minny postgame thread.

    The Collison for Mahinmi trade was maybe the most lopsided trade in the NBA this off-season. And is there a more useless player than DJ Augistin right now? I hate to keep belaboring on this, but that series of moves has been nothing short of a disaster so far. We sure could use Collison in the backcourt right now. I don't believe for a second that Bird would have dumped Collison for such a crappy package had he stayed around.

    Hibbert has to be one of the most overpaid players in the NBA right now. He's been beyond underwhelming so far this season.

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    Not wanting to trash West or anything but West was scoring as much as he was letting his guys score, they were going back and forth on each other.
    That's true. If David West didn't score he was still going to be playing ****** defense anyone though, so at least he helped offset it.

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    If Hibbert played with half the stone West does, he'd do the same thing as West - impact the game despite his deficiencies. Hibbs right now is just one big deficiency playing with zero chutzpah.
    Do you not pay attention to the defensive end of the court at all?

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    The Collison for Mahinmi trade was maybe the most lopsided trade in the NBA this off-season. And is there a more useless player than DJ Augistin right now? I hate to keep belaboring on this, but that series of moves has been nothing short of a disaster so far. We sure could use Collison in the backcourt right now. I don't believe for a second that Bird would have dumped Collison for such a crappy package had he stayed around.

    Hibbert has to be one of the most overpaid players in the NBA right now. He's been beyond underwhelming so far this season.
    No question. I called it the fleecing of the offseason in the game thread.
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    Guys the Timberwolves minus their best players are the class of the Western Conference, there is no shame in losing to them, Charlotte, Atlanta and San Antonio. Am I doing this right?

    Roy Hibbert is awesome. 0 free throw attempts, 4 rebounds, gave up what should have been a game winning layup that the opponent inexplicably missed. Such great effort from Big M0ney R0y. But I'm sure he'll turn it around one day.

    Paul George, ... I can't even be sarcastic. I never want to read another quote about how he wants to be great, about how he learned so much from LeBron and the Olympians, none of it. What did he learn? It wasn't anything basketball related. My dude took 12 shots and got to the line ONCE. Averaging 13 shots per game and 2 free throws per game is garbage mode when the team is without a starter. Garbage. Mode. He's a chicken heart but still a valuable guard, so we'll use that money on a star at another position...wait, that money went to Roy Hibbert?!


    The Lakers did the right thing and got rid of a coach who was in way over his head. If the Pacers don't do the same soon it is going to be a long season, which will probably lead to another rebuilding effort. George Hill, David West and Lance Stephenson are the only three who are capable of being effective under this quote-unquote OFFENSE.

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    Default Re: Pacers/Minny postgame thread.

    100% mental. That's all this is.

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    The Collison for Mahinmi trade was maybe the most lopsided trade in the NBA this off-season. And is there a more useless player than DJ Augistin right now? I hate to keep belaboring on this, but that series of moves has been nothing short of a disaster so far. We sure could use Collison in the backcourt right now. I don't believe for a second that Bird would have dumped Collison for such a crappy package had he stayed around.

    Hibbert has to be one of the most overpaid players in the NBA right now. He's been beyond underwhelming so far this season.
    If the entire team is under performing, and they are, how long until you look toward the end of the bench as part of the problem.

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    Yes, I do. I saw PG and Gerald Green give up key easy layups down the stretch, so this trying to point out the obvious about West's defense isn't going to fly.

    Let's see. So far this season, which player would we be better off without, West or Roy? Hmm...
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    Too bad that stat line doesn't show how poorly West played on defense.
    LOL, they just named him the defensive player of the game on the post game show, if I heard them right. I'm not saying he's that good, nor is he as bad as what you're suggesting. He's in the middle.
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    Just think if we didn't have West right now. We might be at the basement of the whole league.

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    Roy looks scared out there, he has butter fingers. Fumbling the ball around. Time to get the head shrink back.

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    I feel like Vogel takes it easy on them and they feel like they can just relax a lot of the time.

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    This isn't on vogel. He didn't decide to totallly disregard the man he was defending on the most crucial defensive posession of the game! Pritchard has made this team so much worse... he's the one that should be fired.
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    Just think if we didn't play garbage teams at the start of the season. We might be at the basement of the whole league.
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    Do you not pay attention to the defensive end of the court at all?

    I do. West played bad defense. Shocking.

    However, I also noticed that Roy Hibbert failed to have much of an impact on this game from any end of the court.
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    100% mental. That's all this is.
    No, right now we don't have Granger and Collison. They were two extremely valuable contributors in the previous two seasons and gave us instant offense. One of them is off the team and who knows if the other one will come back healthy this year. It's simply not as good of a team as it was last year. The Granger situation is out of our control, but the dumping of Collison for a pitiful package was a self-inflicted wound and we are paying dearly. The Walsh/Pritchard combo gets an F- so far this year.

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    Default Re: Pacers/Minny postgame thread.

    I know at least a few of West's man scoring was no one rotated.

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    Yes, I do. I saw PG and Gerald Green give up key easy layups down the stretch, so this trying to point out the obvious about West's defense isn't going to fly.

    Let's see. So far this season, which player would we be better off without, West or Roy? Hmm...
    So you didn't see easy lay-up after easy lay-up against West all game long as a problem?

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    What I don't understand is how we can be the only team in the NBA who can't solve a zone defense with our inside/outside scorers. All of the players are guilty of just standing around and waiting for something to happen. Frank needs to strictly practice ball-movement and moving without the ball with the wings and point guards.
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    But, wait a sec. Wasn't Pritchard allegedly Bird's guy. He brought him in as whatever the title was until the Morway falling out went down.
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    If the entire team is under performing, and they are, how long until you look toward the end of the bench as part of the problem.
    Are you sure the entire team is under perorming? Or do we just have no ability to build leads because we have a d leauge bench
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    Default Re: Pacers/Minny postgame thread.

    the problem with the team is that the 2nd unit just sucks....anyone beyond the starting 4 is doing terribly now. i think that mixing and matching the starting 4 with anyone else isn't building any chemistry among dj/lance/green/hans/mahinmi. anyone beyond the starting 4 has to start contributing. thats why we r losing. also...having Granger would only help a bit....cuz we would still have a crappy 2nd unit
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    This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.

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