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    listening to reports if Phil Jackson were for any reason to not return to coaching Brian Shaws name is already being mentioned among Magic and Stephen A Smith on espn.

    the lakers would have to give us a draft pick or something right? what if Phil Jackson wanted Shaw back. i dont get why Magic and espn are mentioning Shaw when he is under contract with the Pacers.

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    listening to reports if Phil Jackson were for any reason to not return to coaching Brian Shaws name is already being mentioned among Magic and Stephen A Smith on espn.

    the lakers would have to give us a draft pick or something right? what if Phil Jackson wanted Shaw back. i dont get why Magic and espn are mentioning Shaw when he is under contract with the Pacers.
    If Mr Simon wanted to be an A hole he could stop it. But anyone who stops a man from getting a promotion is wrong and I doubt the Pacers would stop it. If the Lakers ask for permission to speak with Shaw I would be disappointed if we didnt let them.

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    If Mr Simon wanted to be an A hole he could stop it. But anyone who stops a man from getting a promotion is wrong and I doubt the Pacers would stop it. If the Lakers ask for permission to speak with Shaw I would be disappointed if we didnt let them.
    It's a completely different situation to have an assistant interview for a head coaching position in the offseason versus the middle of the season. Especially a team with the Pacers expectations and aspirations for this season (their current play notwithstanding). That's not how you do business in the NBA.

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    It's a completely different situation to have an assistant interview for a head coaching position in the offseason versus the middle of the season. Especially a team with the Pacers expectations and aspirations for this season (their current play notwithstanding). That's not how you do business in the NBA.
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    And yet that's exactly the way the teams treat the players and coaches. Tired of you, got a better offer, you're gone! Loyalty is not a two way street in the business world. Unless Shaw signed a non compete clause in his contract, there is no good reason for the Pacers to stop him. Or maybe there is more in his future here than we know about. I wonder if he would go back as Phil's assistant again?

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    And yet that's exactly the way the teams treat the players and coaches. Tired of you, got a better offer, you're gone! Loyalty is not a two way street in the business world. Unless Shaw signed a non compete clause in his contract, there is no good reason for the Pacers to stop him. Or maybe there is more in his future here than we know about. I wonder if he would go back as Phil's assistant again?
    Even still, it's hard to enforce non-compete clauses. I agree with you though.
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    This doesn't answer question, but still related to topic:

    Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

    The Lakers have not reached out to the Pacers about the possibility of hiring associate head coach Brian Shaw, league sources tell Y!

    Indiana considers Shaw an important asset, and wouldn't simply let him walk in-season to the Lakers, sources tell Y! So far, no contact

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    WoJo just tweeted the Pacers would be a dick and not let him walk mid season. They have nothing really to compensate us they have no draft picks for awhile so I cant really see a trade happen.

    I would be pissed if I was Shaw. It's the Pacers right because he is under contract but it's wrong IMO.

    Deadshot anyone under contract cant just leave however if they are neing ask to interview for a promotion teams normally don't get in the way of others careers. I mean this isn't Theo Epstien who left for a lateral position going from an assitant coach to HC is a huge job opportunity for Shaw and with a great team.
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    Yeah I understand I was just posting the tweet here because this thread dealt more with Shaw

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    Well...to be honest. If it was a "normal" job and you were the boss of a company, would you be so nice and let one of your most important employees walk because he can get a better position at one of your main competitors?
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    Well...to be honest. If it was a "normal" job and you were the boss of a company, would you be so nice and let one of your most important employees walk because he can get a better position at one of your main competitors?
    Shaw is probablly making around 1m here. At a min he would make 3m as the HC in LA. Yes I would let the employee only if we couldn't offer him same pay and same position.

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    If it was a normal job and you were the boss you probably wouldn't have a choice.

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    If it was a normal job and you were the boss you probably wouldn't have a choice.
    You would if there were a contract involved. In my area of work companies have to pay money to hire guys away from other companies all the time.

    The Lakers had the option to avoid this by simply given Shaw the opportunity. The Pacers were the nice guys here, they were the ones that told Shaw they wanted him and were willing to put that into a binding contract that Shaw could count on. So they aren't being jerks for expecting the contract to be honored, the Lakers are being jerks for thinking that everyone should just cancel a deal in order to help them out.

    Who could say that Shaw's career couldn't leave him as a Pacers head coach instead?

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    You would if there were a contract involved. In my area of work companies have to pay money to hire guys away from other companies all the time.

    The Lakers had the option to avoid this by simply given Shaw the opportunity. The Pacers were the nice guys here, they were the ones that told Shaw they wanted him and were willing to put that into a binding contract that Shaw could count on. So they aren't being jerks for expecting the contract to be honored, the Lakers are being jerks for thinking that everyone should just cancel a deal in order to help them out.

    Who could say that Shaw's career couldn't leave him as a Pacers head coach instead?
    This. I remember having to sign a non compete clause for my first job, and that was a low level job.

    Though I guess this topic is moot with the latest revelations that PJ will not be coming back

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    This. I remember having to sign a non compete clause for my first job, and that was a low level job.

    Though I guess this topic is moot with the latest revelations that PJ will not be coming back
    Or they could fire D'Antoni after giving him a long leash, which per Mike Brown would be about 12 games.

    That would REALLY make Shaw want to go back there. I'd say the Lakers/Shaw thing looks pretty doubtful given the last few days paired with the departure of Shaw from LA originally.

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    mr. simon,

    pay the man

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    Make them trade Nash for him.

    Or maybe a few draft picks?

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    Not to mention, the Pacers are 5 games into the season, struggling out of the gate, learning they'll be without their leading scorer for at least 3 months, for a team looking to make noise this year. And you want the Pacers to let their lead assistant just walk? And how should Vogel and the front office fill the void left by Shaw when they're busy with practices, game planning, games, player personnel, etc?

    Again, this is a completely different scenario in the offseason when the team can prepare themselves if a coach is hired elsewhere. Letting him just walk mid season is a disservice to the rest of the staff, the players, and the fans.

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    They have an asset that I'd trade Shaw for. Why can't we trade an assistant coach for an assistant coach?
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    Not to mention, the Pacers are 5 games into the season, struggling out of the gate, learning they'll be without their leading scorer for at least 3 months, for a team looking to make noise this year. And you want the Pacers to let their lead assistant just walk? And how should Vogel and the front office fill the void left by Shaw when they're busy with practices, game planning, games, player personnel, etc?

    Again, this is a completely different scenario in the offseason when the team can prepare themselves if a coach is hired elsewhere. Letting him just walk mid season is a disservice to the rest of the staff, the players, and the fans.
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    They have an asset that I'd trade Shaw for. Why can't we trade an assistant coach for an assistant coach?
    would you stop beating around the bush with this. if its Person just say it.

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    would you stop beating around the bush with this. if its Person just say it.
    Barkley just gave him a great endorsement on NBATV for the Lakers job. Maybe we can trade Vogel and Shaw for Rifleman? They can throw in Bickerstaff if he's needed to make salaries match. Can't figure out how to make this work on RealGM.
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    I think the Lakers will probably look for somebody proven anyway. A rookie head coach doesn't seem to go with their goals.

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    I think the Lakers will probably look for somebody proven anyway. A rookie head coach doesn't seem to go with their goals.
    I agree. Most likely Phil since he appears to be ready to get back into coaching. Which makes sense: Jordan/Pippen, Kobe/Shaq, Kobe/Pau, Kobe/Dwight/Nash/Pau. Ridiculous.

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    Why're people automatically assuming Shaw would have any interest the way they treated him?

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    Why're people automatically assuming Shaw would have any interest the way they treated him?
    Being bitter versus turning down the most desirable coaching job in the game are two different animals....

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