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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Who's not jumping ship right now?

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  • #16
    Re: Who's not jumping ship right now?

    I'm waiting for 10 games to go by, however I was encouraged that we looked a little better last night. The reliance on the 3 point shot and Roy's problems in the post may not let me get to 10 games before I start looking for a shower rod or a ledge to jump off of!
    ...Still "flying casual"
    @roaminggnome74

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    • #17
      Re: Who's not jumping ship right now?

      Like many have said, I don't think anybody is jumping ship. If they did, they wouldn't post here lol.

      We've had some moderate success here recently for the first time in yrs, it'd be a shame to go back down the toilet. I'm not saying it's happening, but our struggles aren't seeming to get much better. We played the best we have all season and still lost in a bad way.

      After expecting so much, it's reasonable to be disappointed in how the team is playing/coaching. But as die hard Pacer fans; jumping ship isn't an option for most of us.

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      • #18
        Re: Who's not jumping ship right now?

        So Roy needs to adjust? to what? I thought they didn't trade either one of the starters and decided to keep the starting unit intact so they could have "continuation", yes "continuation" any time they interview somebody from the Pacers front office that is their excuse to pretty much doing nothing in the off season.
        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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        • #19
          Re: Who's not jumping ship right now?

          Originally posted by Peck View Post
          Moderation in life is always best.

          Nobody should be jumping ship yet (I don't know that I've actually read anyone say that yet) but being nonchalant is equally bad.

          Thare real problems here, nothing that can't be corrected but they do exist.

          Tonight was the first real game where I feel like we played well more than we played poorly and we still lost this game.
          I completely agree with this. It was bad at times during this game, but at least I saw things they can correct, work on, address. It was different this game, that run in 3rd quarter maybe showed a glimpse of what they are capable of. Going inside out, attacking on the break, hustling defene. That was the most encouraging quarter of the year, imo.

          Side note: I might start a thread about how posters are over reacting to the posters who are overacting to the play of the team. I'm worried, however, that this triggers an infinite amount threads about overacting and creates a wormhole that disrupts the space/time continuim and destroys us all...... on second thought, I probably won't start a new thread.

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          • #20
            Re: Who's not jumping ship right now?

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            So Roy needs to adjust? to what?
            Danny not being here and the other team being able to run a zone and circle him with 3 guys?

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            • #21
              Re: Who's not jumping ship right now?

              Some people here aren't jumping ship. They were never on the damn ship to begin with!

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              • #22
                Re: Who's not jumping ship right now?

                Originally posted by Hypnotiq View Post
                another thread telling people not to overact

                yawn.

                these are getting incredibly dull
                Yet your contribution to this thread was so incredibly insightful. It works both ways. But you still find it necessary to come in an (and by your own very words) incredibly dull thread to post. Your logic is incredibly flawed.

                To the op. No im still giving them time to work it out. Some things that need to change are becoming evidently clear they might not ever happen. Mainly Hibbert and PGs intensity, and Frank Vogels coaching.
                Last edited by CreekShow; 11-08-2012, 09:49 AM.
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                • #23
                  Re: Who's not jumping ship right now?

                  A 2-3 record is no reason to jump ship. Okay, so we're off to a slow start, but I have faith in the players we have and Vogel and his staff. I know they're not happy with their play. Last night I saw some pretty good improvement in their offensive flow. They need to tighten up defensively too, but that's not hard to do. I think by game 10 we'll start to click.
                  There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Who's not jumping ship right now?

                    Originally posted by Speed View Post
                    I completely agree with this. It was bad at times during this game, but at least I saw things they can correct, work on, address. It was different this game, that run in 3rd quarter maybe showed a glimpse of what they are capable of. Going inside out, attacking on the break, hustling defene. That was the most encouraging quarter of the year, imo.
                    Agreed.
                    "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                    • #25
                      Re: Who's not jumping ship right now?

                      Good thing I didn't change my sig.
                      This space for rent.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Who's not jumping ship right now?

                        Don't post much, but I'm still on board with our team. Things could be better, I don't think anyone would argue that. I believe we will get it figured out, last night could be argued as a major improvement over the spurs game, and if we finish the game then people would be stepping back from the cliff after a big win in atlanta, where we haven't won since 2006! Danny gets back in 3 months, until then we need to basically just stay close to other teams in the standings. When Danny gets back we can go on our run, but until then we need to weather the storm. I still believe!

                        Jmo. Go Pacers!

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                        • #27
                          Re: Who's not jumping ship right now?

                          Originally posted by adamscb View Post
                          i see where you're coming from, but i'm still concerned. you said let roy adjust. adjust to what, exactly? he shouldn't be still needing to adjust to anything at this point. in regards to paul, his mindset shouldn't be one of "adjusting", but rather him jumping on this opportunity and show us what he can really do.
                          No one is pulling Grangers defender off to double down on Roy. Everyone is pulling Gerald Green and Sam Young's defenders off to double down on Roy. Granger was a number one threat. With no Granger, you can focus on Roy exclusively. He needs to adjust his game. His passing skills are his best weapon right now. And Vogel needs to adjust too. Way too many athletes and solid passing big men in this lineup, not to be throwing it in the post and running backdoor passes and screens and slashes to the basket. Roy should seriously be averaging 6 assists a game without Granger. He has to adjust. They all have to adjust. Vogel is smart. He'll figure it out.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Who's not jumping ship right now?

                            Originally posted by cgg View Post
                            If we didn't leave from JOB it's not going to happen now...
                            That pretty much sums it up for me too. I will be avoiding the negative threads on PD from now on and lowering my expectations.

                            This reminds me a lot of the Colts situation last year. This team was built around Granger more than most of us realized.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Who's not jumping ship right now?

                              I'm not jumping off the ship in the least, but their only hope is to rectify their offensive confusion.

                              As much as losing Danny hurts, they just spent most of their preseason without him as a primary contributor and should look smoother than they do. Green, Young, Augustine and Mahinmi all look like they don't really know what their role is or where people are going to be.

                              Even with the returning players you have both Hill and Lance driving up court and then throwing very awkward cross-court lobs to people, often backwards toward the top of the arc even.

                              So something is wrong with the plan and the players' understanding of that plan. They look totally unprepared for what is being thrown at them and totally disconnected from each other. West is succeeding on pure one on one skills only.


                              The most surprising connection seems to be between Lance and Tyler as Lance really seems to know when and where Tyler is going to be, thus the great pass for a dunk last night. Neither player is really playing better than they did last year, maybe Lance a little, but at times they look great purely on their interaction and awareness.

                              So that can do wonders. If you could get Hill knowing where Paul and West wanted to go or where they were going to be I think you'd see a huge improvement in output. Talent-wise the team is solid, they have all the required skills. Vogel just doesn't have the pieces interacting very well right now.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Who's not jumping ship right now?

                                And I think it needs to be emphasized that the 4 main new players have all played much better NBA regular season basketball than they have in the first 5 games this season. Maybe it's plays, chemistry, who knows. Maybe by the end of the year we will think Vogel is the issue. But we might also be looking back and think about how all the road games and newness were more overwhelming for them than we thought.

                                I think Danny being out hurts most of all due to the role it puts Paul into. He's better, but he's not ready to be the primary guy. And that's something that could change due to a trial by fire.




                                But on the positive - how BAMF is West? Seriously, he's headed to the AS game if they have a winning record at that point.

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