Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.
This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.
“People talk about how quiet he [McKey] is, but he’s really been helpful. He gives a lot of insight to players in how to guard certain teams and what their weaknesses are. The whole team listens to him, and it makes my job a lot easier. Having players like him is what pro basketball is all about for me.” —Larry Brown
It's a team sport. Better midrange and outside shooting opens up the floor and allows Hibbert and West some space to do their work.
Given that the whole offense is predicated around feeding the post, this poses a problem. The team hasn't adjusted to that yet. In the first game of the season, there was a lot of beautiful ball movement in the first quarter, especially by Hibbert and George... and then once the defense recognized that our outside shot was broke, they capitalized on this and took us completely out of our game plan.
Rewatch the games this season so far carefully, and you'll see teams defensively loading the box, forcing poor ball movement and lots of outside shooting early in the clock.
Looks like Beckley Mason agrees:
The Pacers have already reached out to the agent of free agent swingman Mickael Pietrus as a possible replacement in the lineup
"We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.
As I've stated before, I view this team without Granger the same way I view this team before we got David West: Not a playoff team, and in for some rough times. West and Hibbert make a good scoring pair, but I think realistically for us to get good spacing and offensive flow we need all three on the court, and our replacement level players in green and Young are definitely not up to par, at least in my opinion. I think we're gonna see some rough ball, some stuff that might remind you of the he who shall not be named era of play. I don't think our offense will be good enough without Granger. For better or worse, we could always give him the ball and expect some type of shot to come out. Now, who can we give the ball to do create offense? With that in mind, I think we'll look for spacing (yes, the s word) to try to create.
In another sense, I'm also worried that without Granger, we might find some other flaws with our players. I think if we ask Hill, Hibbert, etc to take a lot of offensive load, we will find out what kind of players they are. Maybe we'll see the press to hard, maybe they'll lose their shot or their confidence. I say that especially to Hibbert, who has been inconsistent and if he plays poorly without Granger, I'm not sure if the negativity won't get to him. Hill I'm less worried about, since he went through the pressure cooker that is coach Pop, but sometimes I worry that if his shot goes he might not do well in other areas of the game. And then the offensive pressure on George is going to be pretty high, and we'll see what kind of load he can bear. In this sense some of this might be a blessing because we get to see what they can do.
In a sense, having these young guys playing without Granger is pretty nice when we know that now he isn't going to be back for 3 months. Now that we know, we have to play through it and see what we really have. I still think we can make the playoffs with this team, although I don't think we should, and at the very least we could use that confidence boost.
This is also probably the last year of the David West era, at least in my opinion. I appreciate what he's brought to our team and he's done a great job, but this is the last year of his contract, and going by the types of players that Pritchard has brought in, as well as his track record (Mahinmi, Augustin, Green) he seems to value athletes. West is on the decline in that perspective and I'm not quite sure we would want him back, especially since we'll have around 10 million in cap space this offseason (give or take, depending on draft position, hansborough QO, etc etc) to make a run for Josh Smith. I view Smith as someone that Pritchard will go after hard, because of his ability to defend multiple positions, someone who can switch off on guarding Lebron and Bosh. Pritchard is a smart GM, he sees that, and while I appreciate what West has brought to the team and would have loved to make a good run with him, I think we're definitely going to see the end of the West era, and this is a rough way to go, with Granger out. I bring this up because I wouldn't be surprised to see Pritchard try to make a move to get an asset back for West, maybe a pick or something, if we continue to slide.
Another night, another backside-kicking. They just hit you from so many sides, now, in waves. It's like a cavalry, running down hill and trampling you underfoot. You have no tactical advantage, you're just swinging wildly in the mud, and the best strategy might be to play dead.
They are an absolute onslaught right now.
------------ Matt Moore, CBS Sports "Eye On Basketball", 11/12/13
Honestly, if that's true that's sad.
Winners always want the ball. Always want to be the man. Always want to take charge, lead, win, etc. No matter their age or situation, etc.
If PG isn't willing to be the man he will never be... and will be the type of guy who just quits when the going gets tough (ala Vince Carter for example).
I hope you're wrong.
George Hill is the player most capable of picking up a majority of the scoring load. He has a great mid-range game that he rarely takes advantage of, but if he decided to he could score 15-17ppg.
How is Danny's worth to the team impacted? I mean for his next contract? Is he more valued now because you see what life without him looks like? Is he less valuable from being injured? There are some interesting choice coming around.
Count me in the camp that you had to sign Roy, but it becomes more apparent how that impacts your team structure, when you have that kind of money committed to one player. I think the team, fans, and even Roy himself will be much harsher on him if this turns into a losing environment.
Everything thats been said today, if you win the next 3 and play well doing it, everything will be good again. Funny how that works.
We know what this means:
I expect Green to turn it up soon also. He's beginning to adjust better here and is scoring better than in his first two games. He's playing more like himself.
Last edited by Trophy; 11-07-2012 at 04:07 PM.
My League Pass expenditure is suddenly looking more expensive in terms of dollar to entertainment value ratio.
"Freedom is nothing else but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus
"Appreciation is a wonderful thing. It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well." - Voltaire
Michael Pina, Red94: "There are so many different ways the Pacers can beat you. They have an All-Star scoring threat, imposing figures on the front line, steady point guard play, and most importantly, a defense that'll choke the life out of just about every offense that crosses its path."
Maybe we can go out and and play more loose now. Unburdened by expectations.
So does this mean we are not going to win the central now?
Rose and Granger come back around the same time now
Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.
According to Wells on the radio show he expects this 3 months to be longer, he said that teams usually give optimistic dates regarding injuries, I agree with him.
Too soon to be officially on the "Danny Granger expiring contract watch"? two more years right?