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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Granger Injury Update

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  • #46
    Re: Injury Update

    As someone who had had surgery on my knees 13 weeks rehab is not that unusual , but odd part is that long is usually after a surgical procedure. I think Danny had a scope and Pacers are not reporting it. Yes I think they are hiding something from fans and media.

    This is eerily taking on a Mike Dunleavy simliarity.

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    • #47
      Re: Injury Update

      Its like some of you guys have never experienced tendonitiis.

      I'm not surprised by the diagnosis, treatment, or prognosis. I'm more surprised at the reactions here.

      The primary cure for swelling in the tendons is rest, and a lot of it. Surgery won't fix inflamed tendons. It could help with the source of the problem, or it could remove scar tissue, but the swelling takes about as long to calm down as it took to get unbearable in the first place. Its a gradual injury with gradual healing.

      Reality is that he's probably needed to take this kind of time off for a while, but he's gutted it out as long as he could until no other choice remained. That would be similar to my experience when I finally had to redshirt one of my college track seasons after years of competing at 90%, then 80%, then 70% as the dull ache gnawed away at explosiveness. For what its worth, 20 years later and I still end up in physcial therapy or are forced to take 6-8 weeks off of running due to my knee tendonitiis which returns every couple of years.
      Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
      Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
      Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
      Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
      And life itself, rushing over me
      Life itself, the wind in black elms,
      Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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      • #48
        Re: Injury Update

        Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
        ACL injuries are a lot tougher to come back from. 9-12 MONTH process. Plus a player like Rose who's mostly athleticism, it's going to be hard for him to adjust to that as well.

        He may come back sooner, but if I were the Bulls I'd just wait till next season to make sure he's completely 100%.
        Well it only took Adrian Peterson few months to get back so there is a chance, I agree with you if I was the Bulls I tank this year so I can find a Robin for Rose through the draft.
        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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        • #49
          Re: Injury Update

          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
          Well it only took Adrian Peterson few months to get back so there is a chance, I agree with you if I was the Bulls I tank this year so I can find a Robin for Rose through the draft.
          True, but football is a bit of a different sport. Yes there's a lot of cutting in both sports, but there's a LOT more jumping, stopping, going, quick reactions, quick change of direction in basketball. Also, in football, as a RB you play about 1/2 of the game, and then get a week off to rest. In basketball you've got 32-38 minutes, playing offense and defense. And then you either have back-to-backs, or just one day off.

          I agree with you though, if the Bulls can get a top 15 pick, they have a chance to get another wing OR athletic big on that team that if Rose can ever come back to being as good as he was, they'd be in great shape.

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          • #50
            Re: Injury Update

            Jeff Taylor or Draymond Green would come in handy right about now.

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            • #51
              Re: Injury Update

              We reallt need our scorers to step up. This is PG's time to prove what he can do.

              We need Hill, PG and West to step up the scorer
              "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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              • #52
                Re: Injury Update

                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                Well it only took Adrian Peterson few months to get back so there is a chance, I agree with you if I was the Bulls I tank this year so I can find a Robin for Rose through the draft.
                I imagine some of that depends on how open the Central is a the end of the season.

                Regarding the response to this news, it'll be interesting to see who takes the primary scoring load. I say make David the focal point of the offense, followed by Hill, then Hibbert, and finally Paul.

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                • #53
                  Re: Injury Update

                  My concerns....

                  They are a David West or George Hill injury away from not making the playoffs. I fear now Roy will think he has to be dominant and starts to spiral into that whole deal, which is very concerning. Vogel already seems to out of his comfort zone when dealing with being a front runner and not a cheerleader type leader. Hopefully this gives guys a chance to grow. I think the decision to replace DC with the worse defensive point guard in the league doesn't help. Mahinmi reverting back to a fringe rotation player instead of the guy we saw in preseason, Gerald Green looking nervous and forgetting simple basketball plays.

                  My point is there are alot of things working against them right now. Danny being out is big, bigger than I ever imagined, but its not just that.

                  The one thing I have faith in is that David West is a natural leader and will keep this group tied together. I also think George Hill is mentally tough and not afraid to play under adverse circumstances. Those two things may keep them afloat, but they have to weather this ridiculously tough road schedule first. It may not be pretty, but I think they will find out some things about some players.

                  We need guys to bond together here in the next few weeks and get that us against the world vibe. Plus, we need a lightbulb to go on a little quicker for PG and others sooner than you'd expect. I have no idea how this turns out.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Injury Update

                    PG really wants to make All Defense then now's the time. That's a far more realistic way for us to win the Central than expecting him (or anyone) to replace Danny's scoring.

                    More than anything it's time for Roy to earn his money.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Injury Update

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Andrews_(physician)

                      Andrews is well known for performing orthopedic surgery on high-profile athletes from a wide array of sports. He created the HealthSouth Sports Medicine Council and was the driving force behind the successful Go For It! Roadshow. He was also an athlete himself, winning a Southeastern Conference Championship in polevaulting at Louisiana State University. Andrews was the subject of an ESPN.com article that praised his talents and listed some of his notable clients. One excerpt from the magazine stated that "[Andrews] is the alpha doc at the center of a sports-medicine network that extends well beyond doctors. Every athletic trainer, physical therapist, strength-and-conditioning coach in the land seems to have Andrews' cell phone number".[4] "As far as I know he's like the Jay-Z of the rap world. He's the best. He's smooth. He's smooth as butter." remarked Kevin Smith, Lions running back, on surgeon Dr. James Andrews who performed his ACL reconstruction.[5] He consulted on Tom Brady after his third knee surgery, Brett Favre with his shoulder surgery,[6] and most recently worked with Albert Pujols surgery on his right elbow. He also did a surgical repair of New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees's throwing shoulder when he sustained a 360 tear of the labrum and additional rotator cuff damage.[7] He has also worked with professional wrestlers such as Shawn Michaels, Triple H, John Cena, Edge and Randy Orton. He also consulted U.S. women's national soccer team goalkeeper Hope Solo on her major shoulder surgery. Andrews serves as the team doctor for Alabama, Auburn, and the NFL'sWashington Redskins.[8]
                      Andrews' patients also include Michael Jordan, Jack Nicklaus, Emmitt Smith, Wyatt Stewart, IV, John Smoltz, Troy Aikman, Charles Barkley, Roger Clemens, Andrei Markov,Bo Jackson, Ryan Broyles, Adrian Peterson, Matthew Ober and Michael Morse among others.[9]
                      "Danny Granger is one of the top players in the league. To move Danny, you better get a lot back." - Larry Bird

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                      • #56
                        Re: Injury Update

                        Barbosa, DC, DJones, and Lou would come in handy right now, too.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Injury Update

                          Croshere, Bender, JO, Foster, Reggie, Smits, Person, Harrington, Tinsley, Jackson, Best, would come in handy right now.

                          C'mon.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Injury Update

                            Originally posted by Speed View Post
                            Barbosa, DC, DJones, and Lou would come in handy right now, too.
                            I 100% agree with this.
                            @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                            • #59
                              Re: Granger Injury Update

                              We are going to see what Lance, yes, Lance is made of. After the Sam Young experiment fails miserably, again, Lance should start and have PG slide back to 3.
                              Senior at the University of Louisville.
                              Greenfield ---> The Ville

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                              • #60
                                Re: Granger Injury Update

                                Look at this point worrying about who we don't have is pointless. The roster is set.

                                The Danny Granger lifeline is gone for now and each player is going to have to nut up and Vogel is going to have to figure out
                                how to get the offense going. He says he is going to simplify to a fewer plays and work on execution. It may take a few games
                                to adjust but we have enough talent to get it done.

                                As long as Granger comes back around the all star break and is healthy there is time to get it together at full strength and be
                                playing their best ball at the end of the season like last year.

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