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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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face the facts this team is S-O-F-T

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  • face the facts this team is S-O-F-T

    guys i have loved the Blue and Gold since the days of Vern Fleming, Chuck Person, Detlef Schremph and so on. i will continue to support this team. but im not going to sugarcoat this at all.

    and before we everyone starts with the Granger is out threads. look at last seasons Bulls team who continued to win in spite of missing their MVP.

    for all those so excited to see Larry Bird leave, well here is what you get. this is practically the same team as last year and not much better. Bird prob left because Simon is not willing to do what it takes to get this team to the next level. this team will still compete but this season is not going to be the year we upset Miami and win a Trophy.

    * for all the hype Paul George had during the offseason, its prob gonna to stay HYPE and not translate to the court. Paul is timid and careless with the ball at times. he will improve but he is no where near being the X factor for this team.

    * Hibbert = S-O-F-T
    your shot may not be falling Roy but that doesnt mean you can get burned on the other end last night and then sulk after everytime Duncan makes you look like his ***** there is one constant in Basketball a player can control and thats DEFENSE. Hibberts shot may not be falling but he played like as S O F T as possible last night. starting to look like Bosh out there Roy.

    in fact Bird had it right.

    THIS FLIPPIN TEAM IS S-O-F-T.

    and that falls on Vogel. everyone loves and respects Vogel because lets face it.. anything is better than JOB and his madness. but this is a business and this style of play is getting tiresome quick.

    if not for George Hill last night we get blown out by 40.

    if Vogel does not right the ship soon ship him out and let Shaw take over.

    plain and simple.

    THIS TEAM IS S O F T (w the exception of West Hill Hansbro).

    for those of you comparing former pacer glory days.. Roy Hibbert would soil himself if he faced the DAVIS BROS and Big Smooth.

  • #2
    Re: face the facts this team is S-O-F-T

    define what you mean by soft. it means different things to different people

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    • #3
      Re: face the facts this team is S-O-F-T

      yah...

      no

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      • #4
        Re: face the facts this team is S-O-F-T

        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
        define what you mean by soft. it means different things to different people
        same thing Bird meant by it. im at work so i wont go much farther than that if you get my drift... basically the same context as Legend used the term.

        you tell me what you think UB.

        lets put it this way.. maybe Bob Knight should pay Roy Hibberts locker a visit give him a the same thing he gave some of the players he had who were SOFT. i think many on here will know exactly what i mean.

        the other context i believe Bird was implying is this team is mentally SOFT. and it all starts with Hibbert. sorry but the gloves are off.. he is getting paid and no more excuses for the Big Fella. the fact Vogel has a crappy system in place and HIbbert prob does not get the ball enough. but because your Offense sucks is not an excuse to let Tim Duncan school you like he is still in his prime.

        Hibbert played SOFT (censored version) all night long on D imo. Duncan straight made him his *****.

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        • #5
          Re: face the facts this team is S-O-F-T

          for all of you naive in believing Granger is gonna come back and be the savior of this franchise.. enjoy living in fantasy land while you can. once granger comes back things will only slightly improve.

          if things do not pickup significantly soon Pacers Digest will be calling for Brian Shaw by the all-star break. Granger is just an excuse for everyone to fall back on until reality smacks all us pacer fans in the face.

          this team is SOFT.

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          • #6
            Re: face the facts this team is S-O-F-T

            "They are as soft as a baby's a**"
            @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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            • #7
              Re: face the facts this team is S-O-F-T

              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
              define what you mean by soft. it means different things to different people
              Fouling instead of allowing the excessive number of baskets made right at the rim. Absolutely forcing the other team to be jump shooters. Like San Antonio did to the Pacers. Not aggressive enough going to the basket and settling for jumpers. Force the issue underneath. With Roy, West and PG. Send everyone to the hoop for awhile on rebounds.
              What happened to that team that Vogel took over and played so aggressively??
              {o,o}
              |)__)
              -"-"-

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              • #8
                Re: face the facts this team is S-O-F-T

                When Foster left this team I think most of the toughness went with him.
                {o,o}
                |)__)
                -"-"-

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                • #9
                  Re: face the facts this team is S-O-F-T

                  Wait what is this team?

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                  • #10
                    Re: face the facts this team is S-O-F-T

                    Well, the Pacers lead the league in RPG with 53.3

                    They are 7th in PPG/Allowed with 94.

                    They are second in opponents adjusted FG% at 43%

                    They are first in the league in opponents Points Per Possession at 1.03

                    They are 6th in opponents FTA/game at 19

                    They are first in the league in blocks per game with 9

                    Sure, this team has struggled. But toughness? Give me a break. The issues are shooting and turnovers, basically sloppy play offensively.

                    Of course, just my $.02

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                    • #11
                      Re: face the facts this team is S-O-F-T

                      lets just keep overreacting even though our best player is gone and we have a whole new bench, I DONT EVEN THINK THE PACERS CAN WIN 10 MORE GAMES!!!!!!!!!!! THEY JUST ARE TOO SOFT THROUGH THE FIRST 4 GAMES OF THE SEASON TO ME

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                      • #12
                        Re: face the facts this team is S-O-F-T

                        I think we are losing games because of our complete inability to put the ball in the basket, coupled with the ridiculous amount of turnovers. In the first 4 games we've only shot better than 40% from the field once (Raptors). Since then we've been in the 30's. I don't care if your defense is better than the 1988 Pistons, you need to shoot better than 35% from the field to win games. Combine that with garbage free throw shooting through a couple games and there you go. I think our defense has been serviceable. It's about where I expected it to be right now. We seem to be able to put the clamps down when needed (aside from the Spurs). But we can't score, or run an offensive set to save our lives. We have about 3 plays right now on offense.

                        For some reason our offense consists of the PG and the PF standing at the top of the key and running around in circles. Then when the clock winds down throw up an ugly shot, or pass it to one of the wings for a turnover (Paul or Gerald). Or we could always throw it down to Roy so it can get stolen on the entry pass. Someone needs to teach him how to seal his man. Too many PGs, SGs, and SFs get blamed for bad post entry passes. Most of the time it's the PF or C's fault because they aren't strong enough or mobile enough to keep their man behind them.

                        So many things to fix. We've really regressed over the summer....

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                        • #13
                          Re: face the facts this team is S-O-F-T

                          Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                          for all of you naive in believing Granger is gonna come back and be the savior of this franchise.. enjoy living in fantasy land while you can. once granger comes back things will only slightly improve.

                          if things do not pickup significantly soon Pacers Digest will be calling for Brian Shaw by the all-star break. Granger is just an excuse for everyone to fall back on until reality smacks all us pacer fans in the face.
                          Actually, once Granger is back, I think it will make a significant difference in W-L expectations. However, I agree that, with the exception of Hill and West we have no mental toughness. I also agree that we are playing a bit soft, especially Hibbert, and cannot exert our will on even the weakest of teams at this time.

                          For those reasons, I am very worried about competing with the best of the best. Either Granger has to have much more influence on our toughness than I think he does or Hibbert has to grow a pair and man up every game out. Without that, we will not challenge the best teams.

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                          • #14
                            Re: face the facts this team is S-O-F-T

                            Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                            This team is SOFT.
                            Could you say that again, not sure I caught it the first eight times.

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                            • #15
                              Re: face the facts this team is S-O-F-T

                              No excuse for Roy to only score 2 points after signing that contract. In terms of soft, I would consider Ian Mahinmi as soft. The only players with grit are Hans, West, and Lance. Granger at least wants to be tough. Roy and Paul seem content not to have any fight in them
                              Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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