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    I was never pleased with Caldwell and his play it close to the vest everytime approach, but holy crap I'm not sure about Arians and his balls to the wall approach either. Having Vinatieri try that 54 yarder with around three minutes still left in the half had me really puzzled. Simply Adam is no longer the player he was and I thought that was evident last year.

    I guess if Arians is really trying to show the team how much faith he has then so be it, but the closer the Colts actually have a shot at the playoffs I hope a dose of reality sets in.
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    I was never pleased with Caldwell and his play it close to the vest everytime approach, but holy crap I'm not sure about Arians and his balls to the wall approach either. Having Vinatieri try that 54 yarder with around three minutes still left in the half had me really puzzled. Simply Adam is no longer the player he was and I thought that was evident last year.

    I guess if Arians is really trying to show the team how much faith he has then so be it, but the closer the Colts actually have a shot at the playoffs I hope a dose of reality sets in.
    Not sure what your talking about. We are obviously conservative at times.

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    I was never pleased with Caldwell and his play it close to the vest everytime approach, but holy crap I'm not sure about Arians and his balls to the wall approach either. Having Vinatieri try that 54 yarder with around three minutes still left in the half had me really puzzled. Simply Adam is no longer the player he was and I thought that was evident last year.

    I guess if Arians is really trying to show the team how much faith he has then so be it, but the closer the Colts actually have a shot at the playoffs I hope a dose of reality sets in.

    Caldwell is a good assistant coach, but not a good HC. He had 2 good years because he had Peyton
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    Default Re: Do you like Arians balls to the wall approach?

    Arians is every bit as conservative as Caldwell. He has very little creativity, and is slow to adapt.

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    Arians is a better coach than Caldwell IMO, but not by much. I thought the play calling on our second to last drive was very conservative and questionable.

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    I guess I'm mistaken, but after seeing Adam V being so shakey this year on his kicks and in this game miss the one from 47 and then for the coach to expect him to hit from 54 just seemed way to risky to me. We were able to stop them but damn the Dolphins have some really good field position at that point with about three minutes left and a 17 -10 lead. A score there especially a TD and the game would have changed dramatically.

    Kind of like Arians going for it during the Packers game at 4th and one at the Packers 44. I wouldn't call him exactly conservative maybe he just goes nuts sometimes.
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    I like Arians. Some long shots, not running on that 3rd down on the second to last drive (even though it was almost an INT)...I love it.
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    I like Arians. Some long shots, not running on that 3rd down on the second to last drive (even though it was almost an INT)...I love it.
    But why not throw on first or second down too if you were going to throw on third down anyway?

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    But why not throw on first or second down too if you were going to throw on third down anyway?
    I look at it as a half ballsy approach. Run on first and second down to drain the clock/make them use a couple of timeouts...then throw it. So it is conservative on the first couple plays and then balls out. But I totally understand what you're saying.
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    I was never pleased with Caldwell and his play it close to the vest everytime approach, but holy crap I'm not sure about Arians and his balls to the wall approach either. Having Vinatieri try that 54 yarder with around three minutes still left in the half had me really puzzled. Simply Adam is no longer the player he was and I thought that was evident last year.

    I guess if Arians is really trying to show the team how much faith he has then so be it, but the closer the Colts actually have a shot at the playoffs I hope a dose of reality sets in.
    I think it is the right approach with this team. When your opponent has more talent that you do and you know you will lose most of the time if you just play down the middle, you take risks and hope they work out. A good example of this was the onside kick by NO in the Super Bowl. I thought that play, more than anything else that happened won that game for NO. That and Freeney being injured... ... Shift+R improves the quality of this image. CTRL+F5 reloads the whole page.

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    I'd call Arians not super conservative, but more conservative than most coaches at the present time. He has gone for it a couple of times on 4th down (the Packers game, and then the call in the Tennessee game was a pretty obvious situation to go for it) and then he had creativity by sending out the offense in the Browns game in a non-standard spot to draw them offsides. So he's had times where he's been willing to be aggressive.

    Overall though, I'd argue his conservative nature wins out. The worst game for this was the Jets game. The Colts punted on 4th and 1 from the Jets 40. They kicked a field goal from 4th and 1 on the Jets 2. They punted on 4th and 3 from the Jets 48 down 2 scores in the 2nd half. The math that the aggressive coaches follow would say that all of those are poor moves to make. They kicked another field goal from the 2 yard line in the Titans game. He chose to kick a field goal on 4th and 1 from the 25 in the Miami game.

    Arians has definitely gone through struggles in the game awareness department in other areas as well. Throwing the challenge flag on a TD in the GB game which became the 15 yard penalty. Waiting to call a timeout in the Cleveland game until there was only 1 second left which meant it had no upside for the Colts. The terrible challenge in the Miami game. I don't think he is the worst coach in the world, but I don't think at least right now that he's particularly good at making the decisions a head coach needs to make during a game.

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    I'll say the past few weeks have been fun to watch. Very close games, edge of your seat entertainment. He's doing alright for now.

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    I think it is the right approach with this team. When your opponent has more talent that you do and you know you will lose most of the time if you just play down the middle, you take risks and hope they work out. A good example of this was the onside kick by NO in the Super Bowl. I thought that play, more than anything else that happened won that game for NO. That and Freeney being injured... ... Shift+R improves the quality of this image. CTRL+F5 reloads the whole page.
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    What I can agree on is Vinatieri has lost some mojo, even going back to last year. He misses some now that should be chip shots by average kicker standards.
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    I think ChicagoJ had commented on it at one point and something that I noticed that drives me nuts is emptying out the backfield on 3rd down situations. At least put up the illusion that you may run the ball and keep the defense honest. Obvious passing play is obvious.

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    I think ChicagoJ had commented on it at one point and something that I noticed that drives me nuts is emptying out the backfield on 3rd down situations. At least put up the illusion that you may run the ball and keep the defense honest. Obvious passing play is obvious.
    IT forces the one on one match up on atleast one position which is why you do it. Easy read even if there is a blitz coming.

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