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    I hope this changes and I realize it's early but right now I'm pining for Darren Collison back. I miss the energy and intensity of Dahntay Jones. Same with Lou Amundson. I think I would take him at this point over Mahinmi.Barbosa over Green? You bet. I was excited about the changes but so far I see a step backwards. I'll get back to you a month or two from now but I am definitely disappointed at this point.

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    Disagree

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    Disagree
    We'll see. I will remind you of your opinion a month from now

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    Default Re: Right Now I Miss Every Player We Got Rid Of

    You knew exactly what to expect from them so it's hard to be disappointed. Now we have to learn what the new guys can do.

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    You knew exactly what to expect from them so it's hard to be disappointed. Now we have to learn what the new guys can do.
    I didn't know exactly what to expect. To tell you the truth I knew very little about Mahinmi or Green for that matter. I always liked what I saw out of Augustine but so far he has been kind of meh.

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    I meant that you knew what to expect from our old players. We don't have a good grasp of the limitations of the new players, so anything they can't do is new to us.

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    Collison is the only player I even come close to thinking about agreeing with. Barbosa was decent for scoring but I think green is much more efficient. And plays way better defense. Yah he's had some bad games, but he had a killer pre season and is getting better every game. Ian also had a good preseason and I could tell he's way better than Lou because they played against each other and it was obvious. His height just gives him too much of an advantage and he has a way better offensive game.

    Collison and dj on the other hand I have no clue yet. I'm still waiting on dj to gel with the team and show what he can do. But even so we couldn't afford Darren eventually and we needed to pick between hill And him and I think we made the right choice.

    Give them some more time. Ppl take a while to adjust to a new team. Even the heat took half of a year to play decent together at first.

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    The players we lost are, or will be, journeymen. The players we gained are, or will be, journeymen. It's a wash. Nothing significant was gained or lost.

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    Green is doing ok so far, his outside shooting is a bit streaky but he is doing a pretty good job getting to the rim.

    Mahinmi should be ok in time, I think we've got to work out how to use him properly. His hands aren't great and we keep throwing tough catches at him.

    Augustin looks barely passable on offense and lost out there defensively. Not just his inability to stay in front of his opponent, but poor positioning and awareness.

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    New bench guys have been basically detrimental, imo. DJs as bad as billed defensively, shoots a low percent for his career because hes a bad shooter. Greens look scared to play, his first two games were terrible, imo. He really can't handle the ball. Mahimni refused to impose his physical play, he's playing like he has 5 fouls, from the first moment he checks in. I think Lance and Tyler have looked good, but I agree with the OP, so far this has been really bad. I hope its not a case of the grass is greener working against management. To this point, I can't think of one thing that DC doesn't do waaaayyyyyyy better than Augustin. We'll see, its way early , but I'd take DC, DJones, Barbosa, and Lou over this group and give you 10 points in a pick up game.

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    At the very least we were better off with DC. If we had to have Ian and his 4 year deal (which I disagree with), then we should have just signed him. Having DC and Jones would over DJ and Green would have given us a win against the Bobcats. DC was on a 1 year deal for a lot less then the 1 year deal that DJ is on.
    Last night DC put up 18 and 10 assist in 32 minutes against the Cats. I never fall in love with a player during the preseason or summer league. When DJ has his first good game, I'm still not going to be overjoyed. He, Green and Ian have a long way to go to justify their contracts and signings.

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    I hope this changes and I realize it's early but right now I'm pining for Darren Collison back. I miss the energy and intensity of Dahntay Jones. Same with Lou Amundson. I think I would take him at this point over Mahinmi.Barbosa over Green? You bet. I was excited about the changes but so far I see a step backwards. I'll get back to you a month or two from now but I am definitely disappointed at this point.
    Right now the Pacers are 2-1 with a win on the road missing their best offensive player.... Folks in Indy expect way too much from their teams and their players......

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    The players we lost are, or will be, journeymen. The players we gained are, or will be, journeymen. It's a wash. Nothing significant was gained or lost.
    That is the truth.... All of that change meant there was minimal improvement if any. I was saying that here and I got hooted down as usual. That is why I think the Pacers will back up just a bit in the East because other teams improved their starters... 48-34 fourth or fifth in the East......

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    3 games into the season...... the complaints are coming in quickly. Can't please everyone.
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    3 games into the season...... the complaints are coming in quickly. Can't please everyone.
    I guess they would only be happy with 3-0. They are going to be unhappy many times this season and happy many more times...

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    The only player you should be missing is Granger.

    If Granger were healthy with our current roster, we'd be playing a lot better. Its only been 3 games - we've won 2 (by a very small margin).

    Our roster has drastically changed this off season. These guys are going to need dome time to gel together. Lance has never played these many mins and he's only getting more and more comfortable each game.

    Its a long 82 game season....
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    Its a long season Green, Mahinmi and Augustin will prove to be much better in the long run than those they replaced.

    Last night stubborn Frank almost blew it playing an obviously worn out Hibbert the final 16 minutes and also sitting his most effective offensive player Gerald Green the final 16 minutes. Hibbert, Hill and West were gassed in the 1st overtime , it was just a good thing the Kings were so inempt.

    Lou Amundson has yet to play a minute for the T'Wolves and Jones is averaging 1.3 ppg playing 7 minutes a night in Dallas personally I miss neither.

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    Collison is the only player I even come close to thinking about agreeing with. . .
    This. I cherry picked your answer for this comment, but I think the Pacers will miss DC. DJones and Amundson are just guys. They do a decent job, but if they are playing heavy minutes, your team has problems. It's kind of the same way I feel about Sam Young. OK player, but his best position is 5th wing in a 4 wing rotation.

    Mahinmi is an improvement, even though he's not off to a good start. Green looks like he might be OK once the Pacers figure out how to best use his skill set. I'd rather have DC than DJ right now, but it's early.

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    The players we lost are, or will be, journeymen. The players we gained are, or will be, journeymen. It's a wash. Nothing significant was gained or lost.
    Yep and at the end of the year we all are going to realize that this off season was a waste of time and money, why give long term contracts to players that are not much of an upgrade? I bet they could have signed Lou and Barbosa for way less.

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    The players we lost are, or will be, journeymen. The players we gained are, or will be, journeymen. It's a wash. Nothing significant was gained or lost.
    We spent an awful lot of money to do nothing significant.

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    I was never high at all on the "upgrades" we made to our bench. Collison may have been frustrating at times, but he had two years of growing up with these guys. Wish we still had him.

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    We spent an awful lot of money to do nothing significant.
    The Pacers spent a lot of money to keep what they had with Hibbert and Hill....

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    It's been 3 games...
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    Man, AJ would have... oh wait.

    But if Inferno had been out there.... no.

    But surely LOUUUUU would have... no.

    But Barbosa... no.

    Would the second unit be better with Collison than with DJ? Possibly. Other than that, what exactly do you miss?
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    Nope. They're good players, but they are not the reason we are struggling. This team is coping with becoming the hunted rather than the hunter. It is the leap few make, many are lost in translation like Atlanta. Stay tuned...

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