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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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Guess the Score 10/31/2012 Raptors

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  • #61
    This Contest Is Closed

    This guess the score contest is now closed. The following guesses have been successfully recorded:

    Code:
    Poster                          Pacers      Opponent    
    31andonly                                 95          89
    Alabama-Redneck                           92          83
    BillS                                    104         100
    BlueCollarColts                           97          89
    BobbyMac                                  90          86
    Coopdog23                                 97          78
    DangerGranger3pointranger                103          95
    Eddie Gill                                98          79
    Eleazar                                  103          90
    GO!!!!!                                  106          93
    Hypnotiq                                 104          92
    Iceman1                                   95          91
    IrishPacer                                87          80
    LucasRL13                                 98          93
    MTM                                       91          98
    Major Cold                               103          89
    Marlin                                    92          88
    Miller_time04                             89          79
    Mr_Smith                                  93          90
    MyFavMartin                              110          97
    PGisthefuture                            100          96
    Pacer624                                  97          88
    PacerPenguins                             96          88
    QuickRelease                             110          97
    RomanGabriel                              87          96
    Smits Happens                             93          87
    Sparhawk                                  95          89
    Stuckey7370                              101          99
    Trophy                                   103          94
    aamcguy                                   98          94
    aceace                                   111          99
    circlecitysportsfan                       99          95
    croz24                                    92          98
    davidinnc                                103          87
    ejwallace                                108          83
    imbtyler                                 103          88
    iogyhufi                                 106          85
    jbx225                                   105          99
    jeffg-body                               102          88
    jrwannabe                                 89          86
    obnoxiousmodesty                          96          94
    owl                                      105          98
    pacergod2                                128         112
    pacers74                                  95          89
    pumpk35                                  112          95
    special ed                                99          90
    stew                                      90          85
    vincognito                                97          93
    xtacy                                    101          92
    RoboDoug                                  98         101

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    • #62
      Re: Guess the Score 10/31/2012 Raptors

      Originally posted by Doug View Post
      Pacers 101
      Raptors 92

      Oh, we haven't had a two-page guess thread since the board software changed last year. There's a chance that RoboDoug could have problems with that. If so, I'll fix him either later tonight or (more likely) tomorrow.

      Doug
      Yep. He only picked up the first page of guesses. Ignore the results. I'll fix him later, purge the database, and re-run the close/guess/score part by hard.

      Doug
      You're caught up in the Internet / you think it's such a great asset / but you're wrong, wrong, wrong
      All that fiber optic gear / still cannot take away the fear / like an island song

      - Jimmy Buffett

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      • #63
        Drumroll please...

        Code:
        Final score:
        
        Pacers                90
        Raptors               88
        
        Code:
        Poster                           IND  TOR  OffBy  WillsGame
        BobbyMac                          90   86      2  Win      
        Marlin                            92   88      2  Win      
        jrwannabe                         89   86      3  Win      
        stew                              90   85      3  Win      
        Smits Happens                     93   87      4  Win      
        Mr_Smith                          93   90      5  Win      
        31andonly                         95   89      6  Win      
        PacerPenguins                     96   88      6  Win      
        pacers74                          95   89      6  Win      
        Sparhawk                          95   89      6  Win      
        Alabama-Redneck                   92   83      7  Win      
        Pacer624                          97   88      7  Win      
        BlueCollarColts                   97   89      8  Win      
        Iceman1                           95   91      8  Win      
        Miller_time04                     89   79     10  Win      
        IrishPacer                        87   80     11  Win      
        MTM                               91   98     11  Loss     
        RomanGabriel                      87   96     11  Loss     
        special ed                        99   90     11  Win      
        croz24                            92   98     12  Loss     
        jeffg-body                       102   88     12  Win      
        obnoxiousmodesty                  96   94     12  Win      
        vincognito                        97   93     12  Win      
        imbtyler                         103   88     13  Win      
        LucasRL13                         98   93     13  Win      
        aamcguy                           98   94     14  Win      
        davidinnc                        103   87     14  Win      
        Major Cold                       103   89     14  Win      
        Eleazar                          103   90     15  Win      
        xtacy                            101   92     15  Win      
        circlecitysportsfan               99   95     16  Win      
        Coopdog23                         97   78     17  Win      
        Eddie Gill                        98   79     17  Win      
        Hypnotiq                         104   92     18  Win      
        PGisthefuture                    100   96     18  Win      
        iogyhufi                         106   85     19  Win      
        Trophy                           103   94     19  Win      
        DangerGranger3pointranger        103   95     20  Win      
        GO!!!!!                          106   93     21  Win      
        RoboDoug                          98  101     21  Loss     
        Stuckey7370                      101   99     22  Win      
        ejwallace                        108   83     23  Win      
        owl                              105   98     25  Win      
        BillS                            104  100     26  Win      
        jbx225                           105   99     26  Win      
        MyFavMartin                      110   97     29  Win      
        pumpk35                          112   95     29  Win      
        QuickRelease                     110   97     29  Win      
        aceace                           111   99     32  Win      
        pacergod2                        128  112     62  Win

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        • #64
          This Contest Is Closed

          This guess the score contest is now closed. The following guesses have been successfully recorded:

          Code:
          Poster                          Pacers      Opponent    
          31andonly                                 95          89
          Alabama-Redneck                           92          83
          BBQ                                      110          89
          BillS                                    104         100
          BlueCollarColts                           97          89
          BobbyMac                                  90          86
          Coopdog23                                 97          78
          DangerGranger3pointranger                103          95
          Doug                                     101          92
          Dukins                                    99          92
          Eddie Gill                                98          79
          Eleazar                                  103          90
          GO!!!!!                                  106          93
          Hypnotiq                                 104          92
          Iceman1                                   95          91
          Il Ragionier Ugo Fantozzi                 91          99
          IrishPacer                                87          80
          Kemo                                     107          91
          LucasRL13                                 98          93
          MTM                                       91          98
          Major Cold                               103          89
          Marlin                                    92          88
          Miller_time04                             89          79
          Mr_Smith                                  93          90
          MyFavMartin                              110          97
          PGisthefuture                            100          96
          Pacer624                                  97          88
          PacerPenguins                             96          88
          QuickRelease                             110          97
          RomanGabriel                              87          96
          Smits Happens                             93          87
          Sparhawk                                  95          89
          Stuckey7370                              101          99
          Thingfish                                 94          88
          Trophy                                   103          94
          aamcguy                                   98          94
          aceace                                   111          99
          circlecitysportsfan                       99          95
          colts19                                  107          89
          croz24                                    92          98
          davidinnc                                103          87
          ejwallace                                108          83
          imbtyler                                 103          88
          iogyhufi                                 106          85
          jbx225                                   105          99
          jeffg-body                               102          88
          jrwannabe                                 89          86
          mildlysane                               104          91
          obnoxiousmodesty                          96          94
          owl                                      105          98
          pacergod2                                128         112
          pacers74                                  95          89
          pumpk35                                  112          95
          special ed                                99          90
          stew                                      90          85
          vincognito                                97          93
          xtacy                                    101          92
          RoboDoug                                  98         101
          Rejected Posts:
          Post 1517993, User Doug, Reason: Superceded by post 1518031


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          • #65
            Re: Guess the Score 10/31/2012 Raptors

            Much better.

            The final score should get posted shortly.
            You're caught up in the Internet / you think it's such a great asset / but you're wrong, wrong, wrong
            All that fiber optic gear / still cannot take away the fear / like an island song

            - Jimmy Buffett

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            • #66
              Drumroll please...

              Code:
              Final score:
              
              Pacers                90
              Raptors               88
              
              Code:
              Poster                           IND  TOR  OffBy  WillsGame
              BobbyMac                          90   86      2  Win      
              Marlin                            92   88      2  Win      
              jrwannabe                         89   86      3  Win      
              stew                              90   85      3  Win      
              Smits Happens                     93   87      4  Win      
              Thingfish                         94   88      4  Win      
              Mr_Smith                          93   90      5  Win      
              31andonly                         95   89      6  Win      
              PacerPenguins                     96   88      6  Win      
              pacers74                          95   89      6  Win      
              Sparhawk                          95   89      6  Win      
              Alabama-Redneck                   92   83      7  Win      
              Pacer624                          97   88      7  Win      
              BlueCollarColts                   97   89      8  Win      
              Iceman1                           95   91      8  Win      
              Miller_time04                     89   79     10  Win      
              IrishPacer                        87   80     11  Win      
              MTM                               91   98     11  Loss     
              RomanGabriel                      87   96     11  Loss     
              special ed                        99   90     11  Win      
              croz24                            92   98     12  Loss     
              Il Ragionier Ugo Fantozzi         91   99     12  Loss     
              jeffg-body                       102   88     12  Win      
              obnoxiousmodesty                  96   94     12  Win      
              vincognito                        97   93     12  Win      
              Dukins                            99   92     13  Win      
              imbtyler                         103   88     13  Win      
              LucasRL13                         98   93     13  Win      
              aamcguy                           98   94     14  Win      
              davidinnc                        103   87     14  Win      
              Major Cold                       103   89     14  Win      
              Doug                             101   92     15  Win      
              Eleazar                          103   90     15  Win      
              xtacy                            101   92     15  Win      
              circlecitysportsfan               99   95     16  Win      
              Coopdog23                         97   78     17  Win      
              Eddie Gill                        98   79     17  Win      
              mildlysane                       104   91     17  Win      
              colts19                          107   89     18  Win      
              Hypnotiq                         104   92     18  Win      
              PGisthefuture                    100   96     18  Win      
              iogyhufi                         106   85     19  Win      
              Trophy                           103   94     19  Win      
              DangerGranger3pointranger        103   95     20  Win      
              Kemo                             107   91     20  Win      
              BBQ                              110   89     21  Win      
              GO!!!!!                          106   93     21  Win      
              RoboDoug                          98  101     21  Loss     
              Stuckey7370                      101   99     22  Win      
              ejwallace                        108   83     23  Win      
              owl                              105   98     25  Win      
              BillS                            104  100     26  Win      
              jbx225                           105   99     26  Win      
              MyFavMartin                      110   97     29  Win      
              pumpk35                          112   95     29  Win      
              QuickRelease                     110   97     29  Win      
              aceace                           111   99     32  Win      
              pacergod2                        128  112     62  Win

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