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    No, but you can't discount sterns handling and managing of what he had at the time

    Baseball is a perfect example of how you can have a historically great product and still screw it all up.

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
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    Hockey is not a major sports. Major sports don't have a lockout every time their CBA expires. Major Sports don't get out attended by MLS. Thats barely a top 10 soccer league, having better attendance than it.

    In America. You have the NFL. Then quite a ways below that, you have Baseball and Basketball, MLB and NBA that is. Then significantly below that. Is MLS and the NHL.

    There are parts of the country where NHL is popular. But not enough for ESPN to show their games apparently.
    I'm not sure you know much of anything about hockey.

    The NHL had a contract offer from ESPN and turned it down in favor of NBC.

    I also hate to break this to you chief, but the NHL also sold more tickets per game last year than the NBA.
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    No, but you can't discount sterns handling and managing of what he had at the time

    Baseball is a perfect example of how you can have a historically great product and still screw it all up.
    Baseballs loss of national status was less about anything it did and more about Technology advancing to allow Basketball and Football to take off.

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    I'm not sure you know much of anything about hockey.

    The NHL had a contract offer from ESPN and turned it down in favor of NBC.
    Well you are obviously a fan, so I am going to just assume your bias. But just because NBC was willing to pay more doesn't mean people care about it. It just means that ESPn sees a stinker and wasn't willing to overpay for the right to air a sport nobody cares about.

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    You're going to assume I'm biased....because I have facts?

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
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    Baseballs loss of national status was less about anything it did and more about Technology advancing to allow Basketball and Football to take off.
    Wrong again.

    Is basketball the only sport you follow? Did you not know anything about the collusion among baseball owners in the late 80's and the blind eye turned towards steroids in the 90's, after the owners completely botched a historically great 1994 season?

    MLB's leadership was the ultimate model of inefficiency and incompetence for two full decades. They had an outstanding generation of talent to promote and they almost killed it.

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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    Hockey is not a major sport TO YOU.

    In some places in America, basketball isn't a major sport, either.

    I'm not saying stern was great because people hated him. I'm saying he was great because he did a great job. You're basing your opinion of his career on your personal dislike for him. My point was that you aren't really supposed to base it on that.
    Um no, there is the NFL, MLB, and NBA which are universally considered the top 3, then you have the NHL which most consider it the 4th major sport but many don't.


    @Mario: MLS ha, they can't even pay their players a working wage.

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    I never said NHL wasn't 4th in overall pecking order.

    I'm saying it certainly is a major sport. Just because indIana is largely indifferent to it does not mean it does not have a major following.

    Again: they out-sold the nba in ticket sales. Yes they are light years behind in media revenue/coverage, but as a spectator sport hockey has a very large following.
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    You're going to assume I'm biased....because I have facts?
    I am assuming you are biased because you are a fan who doesn't want to admit that the league he is a fan of is a complete and utter joke. 200 Million a year for Television rights. The NBA for instance makes about 5 times that.

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    Wrong again.

    Is basketball the only sport you follow? Did you not know anything about the collusion among baseball owners in the late 80's and the blind eye turned towards steroids in the 90's, after the owners completely botched a historically great 1994 season?

    MLB's leadership was the ultimate model of inefficiency and incompetence for two full decades. They had an outstanding generation of talent to promote and they almost killed it.
    Steroids helped bring the league back from the doldrums of the botched 94 season. Where as Football and Basketballs rise happened long before in the 60s and 70s

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    ....so hockey is a joke because they only bring in 200 million a year in TV revenue?

    ...and youre calling me biased?

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    I never said NHL wasn't 4th in overall pecking order.

    I'm saying it certainly is a major sport. Just because indIana is largely indifferent to it does not mean it does not have a major following.

    Again: they out-sold the nba in ticket sales. Yes they are light years behind in media revenue/coverage, but as a spectator sport hockey has a very large following.
    I was talking about basketball not being considered a major sport everywhere, I was agreeing with you on the NHL.

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    Ah. Nvm.

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    Um no, there is the NFL, MLB, and NBA which are universally considered the top 3, then you have the NHL which most consider it the 4th major sport but many don't.


    @Mario: MLS ha, they can't even pay their players a working wage.
    My point exactly. Thats the league that the NHL is desperately trying to fight off. Kinda speaks to its status.

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    ...so youre just going to ignore the fact the NHL out sold the nba last year in ticket sales, huh? Or is MLS ahead of the nba as well?
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    ....so hockey is a joke because they only bring in 200 million a year in TV revenue?

    ...and youre calling me biased?
    When you make 1/5 of what other sports make in revenue from. You aren't major. Hate to break it to you. When you can't go a single CBA expiration without a lockout, you aren't major.

    NHL is a very popular regional sport. But a major National sport it is not.

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    ...so yore just going to ignore the fact the NHL out sold the nba last year in ticket sales, huh? Or is MLS ahead of the nba as well?
    Maybe because Hockey fans have to go to the game to see the game. Plus I would imagine that NHL tickets are cheaper than NBA.

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    You're inventing rules for what is "major" as you go along. Sorry but you don't decide what the criteria is.

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    My point exactly. Thats the league that the NHL is desperately trying to fight off. Kinda speaks to its status.
    No Mario, the is not even close to competing with the NHL. The MLS is closer to being like the ABA than the NHL. Yeah they sometimes have more people at games because they are rarely aired on TV and because they play in stadiums that sit 5 to 10 times as many people as some hockey teams stadiums sit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
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    Maybe because Hockey fans have to go to the game to see the game. Plus I would imagine that NHL tickets are cheaper than NBA.
    Wrong again. The average NHL ticket is about $10 more.

    Also NHL teams have local tv contracts like nba teams do, so that not the reason either.

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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    Wrong again. The average NHL ticket is about $10 more.

    Also NHL teams have local tv contracts like nba teams do, so that not the reason either.
    Fine. Local Markets are extremely loyal I'll grant you that. Only people that care about it though, that Doesn't make it a national sport. Being a Major caliber League is about people outside of the market wanting to see it.


    How many Baseball fans are there in Indiana TONS. How many Hockey Fans, very few. Thats the distinction between a major sport and a non major sport.

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    You're basing your view of hockey as a national sport on how Indiana views it. D you need me to explain why that's a big miscalculation?

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    No Mario, the is not even close to competing with the NHL. The MLS is closer to being like the ABA than the NHL. Yeah they sometimes have more people at games because they are rarely aired on TV and because they play in stadiums that sit 5 to 10 times as many people as some hockey teams stadiums sit.
    No they don't MLS soccer for the most part play in soccer specific stadiums with capacities in the low to mid 20,000s. And while their TV deals are smaller they are growing extremely fast, and as the league continues to expand the league will attract more followers. The Majority of their TV rights for the most part were negotiated 6 years ago while they were still trying to prove they were sustainable. You can expect growth there when they expire in 2014.

    I put them in the same class because the NHL is receding, while MLS is expanding. Pretty sure MLS attendance numbers are going to trounce NHL this year at least.

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    You're basing your view of hockey as a national sport on how Indiana views it. D you need me to explain why that's a big miscalculation?
    No I am basing it on every non market city views it. Big Difference there.

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    No I am basing it on every non market city views it. Big Difference there.
    So how long have you worked for MLS?
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