Shame it wasn't 27 years ago!
Shame it wasn't 27 years ago!
I'll always remember his game-winning dunk over Chris Paul.
but yes he was terrible
Expanding to Canada was an bad idea. It created two undesirable franchises. The Grizzlies lasted a whopping six seasons before jetting out of there. The Raptors have survived, but they are an undesirable destination. They have made the playoffs just 5 times in 17 years, and have won just one playoff series in that time span. For the most part, they have been a perpetually bad team.
Also, creating the Bobcats a mere two years after the Hornets left was completely unnecessary.
So we'd still be watching on delay if it weren't for Stern? Not a single other soul would have had that light bulb go off?
No major sport in this day in age would ever be on tape delay. Showing stuff live is just part of a natural progression.
I mean when he took over attendance was awful. Atlanta (7,139), Chicago (6,365), Cleveland (5,075) and Washington (7,920). Now the worst team in the league is double most of those. He took over a league that was in bad shape and now is thriving. Who knows if others could of done it but im sure Herb Simon is glad he bought the team for 10m and now the team is worth much much more.
The Raptors actually do very well that city really supports the team and I consider TOR a good basketball town. The main issue is that players dont like paying the taxs there and all the traveling issues so if they arent winning players wont want to be there. If they built a better team around Bosh who is to say he wouldnt of stayed? I mean an aging JO is all they could do?
I do agree you could tweak the system to make them more desirable $$ wise however with the visa issues you really cant do much about.
I just cant see a reason the owners could even gripe about the guy who made them so much $$
The greatest thing he did was take games off tape delay, and get things on prime-time, but main reasons for that were Celtics/Lakers finals, and Michael Jordan. He got blessed with the most popular player in NBA history months after he took over. He did some good things, he did some very bad things (Bobcats, New Orleans Hornets, Vancouver, Toronto come to mind) but overall he was good and will probably be missed.
His first 15 years or so (before the first lockout and after MJ retired with Bulls) were excellent, after that its been not that great.
"It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."
----------------- Reggie Miller
The Raptors and the Grizzlies (when they played in Vancouver) should not go hand in hand. The Raptors have a solid fanbase, while the Grizzlies didn't.
I will say Stern helped turn basketball into what it is today. One of the most followed and played sports in the whole world. It's easily become second to football in North America.
However, it is definitely time for a change at commissioner and Silver seems like a very good choice.
Last edited by Trophy; 10-25-2012 at 04:56 PM.
I do think the time has come so to speak, but I'll admit it, I'll miss Stern being a cocky SOB. I'm sure some (most) hated it, but it always made me chuckle. C'mon, when he got booed at the draft he gave em the Hulk Hogan I can't hear you hand motion.
Find me another commish that can go to Rucker and rock a Terror Squad chain
I don't think Stern was nearly as good as some of you believe, but I wasn't arguing against any of that. You said this:
His over expansion of the league is a definite point of criticism, and one that is pretty big considering the financial struggles of the NBA right now. Leaders get credit for the good and the bad. Two lockouts in 15 years is a pretty big deal.
EDIT: Guess I should have just read the rest of the thread to see Sollozzo's post.
Last edited by Since86; 10-25-2012 at 05:31 PM.
You're also pretty much saying the NBA is at the lowest level in North American leagues. The NBA and basketball has become easily the second watched and played sport in North America behind football and it's expanded greatly internationally.
In addition, if any league over expanded itself it's the NHL and possibly the MLB. For the most part, NBA teams have developed fan bases. Hockey is appreciated mainly by Canadians, so placing teams in random cities/areas in the U.S. is not very smart. In the MLB, a hand full of teams wind up with stadiums half filled because they haven't been anywhere in over a decade.
Last edited by Trophy; 10-25-2012 at 05:38 PM.
I'm not saying it's the lowest league in NA. I'm simply stating facts. There was a lockout in 99 and last year. Both of those were due to CBA deals and the revenue split. Both times the NBA said about half of the teams were losing money. The NBA was struggling financially both times, and had lost games as a result. Some lockouts are strategic, like the NFL lockout. Some lockouts are just terrible situations. Both NBA lockouts were due to bad financial situations.
You can't talk about all the good things Stern did for the game, while ignoring that the NBA is struggling mightly financially. If your product can't make money then how good were the decisions you made? Surely deciding to add two more teams to a league that was already struggling to support the teams they had was a bad idea.
Last edited by Since86; 10-25-2012 at 05:53 PM.
27 years late.
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Anybody who watched Basketball in the 90s knows that this NBA is not thriving compared to what it could be. Hell their profitability is so low there was an argument over whether or not they even made money.
The problem was Stern had built a league where stars dominated. And every team had a star. But then he went and expanded the NBA to make it harder for teams to find stars. And while its not his fault, he oversaw the NBA where Stars decided to collude and instead of 3 teams having a star, they just go to one team. Leaving two fanbases disillusioned without any hope of winning till they find a new star
we are in one of the worst economic times ever and the league is still growing thats a hell of an accomplishment.
Stars dominating isnt a problem that is what sells to the casual fan and that's what gets ratings. The way the NBA is run is a very smart way where they make a lot of money. But it's not Stern's fault players want to team up you cant do anything about it however im sure he doesnt mind. Like it or not the league took off because of Bird and his star teammates vs Magic and his star teammates and the league has always done best when that happens. If OKC and Durant develops a real rivalry vs LBJ in the next couple years the league will be even stronger. That is the nature of the league and thats smart to market the league in that manner so you grow the league which benefits everyone.