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2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

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  • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

    I really like the idea of Danny for Bledsoe. I am sure the Clippers say no though.
    There is no NBA player named Monte Ellis.

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    • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

      Originally posted by cdash View Post
      I don't know how the numbers work, but that wouldn't be the worst trade in the world for either team. Tyler becomes expendable and we can try to get another bit asset/bench player for him. Maybe Charlotte is "that stupid" and would give us something for him.
      Danny+DJ+Green(lol) for Millsap+Bell+Mo works.

      http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=adx2seg
      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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      • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

        Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
        Now that's not true. The competitor that Kobe is, it's not that he doesn't care. I think as Sookie pointed out before, he's only got so much energy to expend at his age. To say he doesn't care enough about defense is sort of a slap in the face to one of the all time great competitors.
        Look, I haven't watched Kobe in his early years. I wasn't watching the NBA when he was in his prime. I only started watching the NBA the last 2 seasons and I have some memories of what in the '10 Finals.

        The Kobe that I have seen is nothing close to a competitor.

        Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
        Now more than ever the Lakers need him to score and score big most nights.
        No, they don't. They have plenty of scoring around him. The Suns were able to score very well under Nash even with mediocre role players simply because Nash would hit them with picture perfect passes. The Lakers would probably score easier if Kobe embraced the role of shooter / scorer while giving all of the ball-handling to Nash. No more Kobe isos = more points
        Originally posted by IrishPacer
        Empty vessels make the most noise.

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        • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

          Can we just see what our team looks like with Granger before we trade him? He's actually a very good player who fills a lot of our needs.

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            Originally posted by cdash View Post
            That just made me simultaneously throw up in my mouth and **** my pants. No.
            I knew it, he is a pretty good player though 15.7 ppg 7.6 rpg and he is only making 6mil a year? that could give the Pacers a lot of space to re-sign Paul George and probably West.
            @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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            • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
              I knew it, he is a pretty good player though 15.7 ppg 7.6 rpg and he is only making 6mil a year? that could give the Pacers a lot of space to re-sign Paul George and probably West.
              Glen is a good player but Hedo? That's the bad part. He and his contract.
              Originally posted by IrishPacer
              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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              • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                Isn't Big Baby sort of a volume scorer too?

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                  I wouldn't pay Hedo to mow my lawn. Just out of principle.


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                  • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                    Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                    Look, I haven't watched Kobe in his early years. I wasn't watching the NBA when he was in his prime. I only started watching the NBA the last 2 seasons and I have some memories of what in the '10 Finals.
                    The Kobe that I have seen is nothing close to a competitor.

                    You definitely missed out. Great great player, great great player. You should youtube him sometime--no joke.


                    Originally posted by Nuntius
                    No, they don't. They have plenty of scoring around him. The Suns were able to score very well under Nash even with mediocre role players simply because Nash would hit them with picture perfect passes. The Lakers would probably score easier if Kobe embraced the role of shooter / scorer while giving all of the ball-handling to Nash. No more Kobe isos = more points
                    If they had the old Steve Nash who was on those PHX teams yeah maybe. But this is the OLD Steve Nash. I watch the Laker games through league pass, he barely looks for his shot anymore b/c he can't get them off. He's slow and though he gets into the lane, opposing defenses stay home b/c they know he won't finish over opposing bigs.

                    What scoring options do they have? D-12 is a finisher at the rim, but not a great post player. Pau is no longer a 20 point threat it seems. Metta World Peace is actually playing well, but even in his prime, his offense was...sketchy.

                    Aside from that they don't have ANYTHING. Meeks is having a Gerald Green type of shooting season, Antwan Jameson looks lost, and the other players aren't worth mentioning.

                    On those PHX teams, they still had Gortat (post threat), Dudley (3pt threat) Grant Hill, Shannon Brown, Channing Frye--the Lakers would kill to have any of these guys over Duhon, Morris, Sacre, etc. And that PHX team didn't do anything important anyways. The last good PHX team Steve was on was during the 2009-2010 season when they had Amare, J-Rich, Hill, Dudley, Frye, Dragic, etc.

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                    • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                      I knew it, he is a pretty good player though 15.7 ppg 7.6 rpg and he is only making 6mil a year? that could give the Pacers a lot of space to re-sign Paul George and probably West.
                      Glen Davis is also a worse defender than West, not to mention a less capable offensive player.

                      Does Hedo even play anymore? That guy is just collecting money at this point.

                      You may or may not think highly of DG, depending on the day lol, but this trade makes the Pacers WORSE.

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                      • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                        Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                        Look, I haven't watched Kobe in his early years. I wasn't watching the NBA when he was in his prime. I only started watching the NBA the last 2 seasons and I have some memories of what in the '10 Finals.

                        The Kobe that I have seen is nothing close to a competitor.



                        No, they don't. They have plenty of scoring around him. The Suns were able to score very well under Nash even with mediocre role players simply because Nash would hit them with picture perfect passes. The Lakers would probably score easier if Kobe embraced the role of shooter / scorer while giving all of the ball-handling to Nash. No more Kobe isos = more points
                        That's too bad, you missed an unbelievable basketball player.

                        And I'll say this, a lot of Kobe Bryant's game is stuff that I don't normally like. (In fact, normally hate.) He dribbles the ball too much. He takes stupid shots. But it doesn't matter because he's proven he can win his way. And quite frankly, he's the best NBA player I've ever personally seen, in his prime. Lebron's more efficient, but he doesn't come close to the skill level that Bryant has/had. And I don't think he'll win nearly as often either.

                        I think Kobe needs to score on this Lakers team. Their bench doesn't score. Pau's been inconsistent, Dwight (although better recently) has been inconsistent, and Nash for whatever reason doesn't look to score. That leaves Kobe and Meta. And Meta is scary with the ball. (BTW, how does Duhon still have a job?) But if Pau/Dwight/Nash got more into the flow, he wouldn't need to as much. (As it is, Kobe has been force feeding Dwight to try and get him going.)
                        Last edited by Sookie; 01-18-2013, 05:31 PM.

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                        • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                          I wouldn't pay Hedo to mow my lawn. Just out of principle.
                          I wouldn't want him either, I would rather get Redick and Big Baby but I know that is impossible.
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                          • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                            Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                            Glen Davis is also a worse defender than West, not to mention a less capable offensive player.

                            Does Hedo even play anymore? That guy is just collecting money at this point.

                            You may or may not think highly of DG, depending on the day lol, but this trade makes the Pacers WORSE.
                            I'm not sure about that, and calm down I was just posting an example of what Chad Ford was talking about.
                            @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                            • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                              If they want to write about dream trades, how about Danny for Josh Smith! The money works, Josh can play the 3 and 4, his contract expires this year. Win now mode! A'int happening.

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                              • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                                I'd love to have Reddick coming off the bench. A big time shooter, and nice off the bench scorer.

                                I wonder if he's obtainable if the Pacers tried to trade for him??

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