A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...
Drummond finishing with 18-18 in 27 minutes. He's approaching Dwight Howard territory at this rate.
Seems like the Lakers started winning the moment that Kobe started passing.
I'm happy for Ace
OJ Mayo with two crucial turnovers yet again. Damn. Don't kill my fantasy team
Dirk!!! Then Aldridge!!! god I love basketball what a finish still not over.
EDIT: and Mayo misses a layup
terrible loss for Dallas Portland had no business being in that game with how they played early lack of focus by Dallas.
Last edited by pacer4ever; 01-30-2013 at 12:29 AM.
I'm actually kind of rooting for the Lakers now. My dream scenario is that they get the 8th seed, upset the Spurs in the first round, beat the Clippers in 7 in the second round and have a historic WCF with OKC.
The Hornets were down 80 - 98 5:56 before the end of the game and they're down 96 - 100 with 3 minutes to go.
Why New Orleans Pelicans isn't a bad name:
Because Pelicans are some badasses!
Would you trade David West + Lance Stephenson for Josh Smith??
The reason I ask issss this: So a friend I know, Suns fan goes, "Would you trade Lance/West/Granger/1st Rounder for Korver/Smith" I responded by saying the trade was a little ridiculous. While Smith has a ton of value has a defensive powerhouse, and a decent scorer so long as you have him play with in the system and not jack up jumpers, the trade just doesn't have a lot of value.
Well I spent time thinking about a viable counter trade. So it seems neither Granger or West really are good enough by themselves for Smith. Well once I started thinking about it, I'm starting to think that not only would West and Lance be a good enough trade for Smith, I'm not even completely sure I would do it.
As we know, there's more to a trade than just "Is so and so worth as much as so and so." The money, fit, etc all come into play. Well, If the Pacers trade West and Lance for Smith, they now certainly get a better PF in Smith. The defense would go from great to stunning instantly. The problem though, is Smith immediately commands a big contract. A big contract that guarantees we lose Granger, and depending on how good PG gets maybe even effects him.
So we'd essentially guarantee a loss at shooting guard because our lineup of the future would be Hill/BLANK/PG/Smith/Hibbert. While great defensively, the offense would suffer immediately because if you're depending on Smith to be a major option on your team, he's going to do J-Smoove things and jack up jumpers all day. The offense would be a disaster. Unlike West, Smith doesn't set up scoring opportunities for his teammates. His only real value is if you get him to play in a system with better scorers, and he's forced to only get scoring opportunities in the low post where he belongs.
So I guess I went from going, "we wouldn't be able to trade West as a main component in a trade for Smith" to, "I don't think I would trade West as a main component in a trade for Smith."
Anywho, would you guys do that trade?? I will say this, at least in the immediate future, the Pacers would be a powerhouse (Hill/PG/Granger/Smith/Roy - Greatest Defense ever). But this would potentially mortgage the future. And there would be no guarantees that Smith would even re-sign with the Pacers anyways. Not too mention, if you're acquiring Smith, you're going for more defense. Well this team has the best defense in the league- That's not necessarily a need. Especially when the team gets better defensively when they add Granger. The team needs more offense...
Edit - And I didn't go over a trade involving Granger and Lance because I don't think Granger fits with what ATL is trying to do. They'd fix one hole, and lose another.. no net game for ATL. Now a team like Memphis would give their left nut to replace Gay with Granger.. They'd love him, but again, how a player might fit with a team has a lot to do with his potential value in a trade.
Edit 2 - And I forgot to mention why I think ATL would love the trade Lance + West for Smith: For them, they get a potentially cheap, very solid starting two guard in Lance, a guy who's value has skyrocketed this season. (he went from a guy who might not make it to a legit starting two guard that's huge). Lance's per 36 are 10, 4, 3 with good shooting percentages. And good defense. So potentially they might see him as a guy that will average 13/14, be a decent second ball handler, and solid defense. While he would have the luxury of getting to grow having his minutes split up with Korver.
In addition ATL gets to save salary and re-sign West who won't command near as much money as Smith. So they don't lose a whole lot at the 4 (in fact they gain offensively) while getting their starting two of the future. ATL really wins with that don't they?
Last edited by mattie; 01-30-2013 at 05:42 AM.
Beyond this year it seems almost obvious that the Pacers would suffer from that trade- The hard part is if the trade was made now, before the deadline, we would see the greatest defense ever assembled for this year, and this year only. (when your worst defender is George Hill? ya) The Pacers I think would be instant favorites out of the east. Hard to turn that down I'm sure.
Edit - A defensive trio of Smith/Granger/Pauly D thrown at LBJ all game during the playoffs would be a nightmare for the Heat. Even as I criticize the trade, I do get a bit excited thinking about that defense. Man. That'd be cool.
Last edited by mattie; 01-30-2013 at 07:24 AM.
I'm thoroughly enjoying watching Kobe play like he did during the Shaq days--- be a facilitator for 3 Qtrs, play an awesome all around game, and then close during the 4th. Exactly what this particular team needs.
Now if only I could get the Pacers back to playing well, I'd be in basketball heaven.....
J Jack... 26/1/12
Speights... 12/5/1... averaging 13/5 since being traded.
Dalembert... 12/10... getting some PT of late.
Earl Clark... 20/12/4... getting PT and producing of late.
Robin Lopez... 16/9/2
Vasquez... 15/5/15... MIP top contender.
Detroit... 51 Reb
Lakers... 50 & 34 Asts
Hey, good to see you posting those, Justin. I was waiting for them
ould trading West and Lance for JSmith mean sign and trade? Josh is talking a max contract which I'm sure Atl would be glad to give him as he took it and left. $19-20 million/5years? Could we extend or re-sign West and Lance, do our win now thing then flip J-Smoove for Paul Gasol next year? I doubt we have the time to return Granger to the lineup and make JSmith a part of our team. To me, this is a trade sceniaro for the off season and not the deadline.
Guys with max contracts should have basketball IQs to match their athletic ability. Josh at times reaches Javale McGee levels of boneheadedness.
The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).
I'm (maybe) back after being repetedly banned, merely for supporting a different NFL team than do certain forum moderators.
I don't think Atlanta would do that trade, because West probably isn't what they're envisioning from an age perspective.
If I put aside my obsession with West, and just look at skills: sure, I'd love a starting 5 of Hill/PG/DG/JS/RH. But know way that can work financially/mentally etc.
Jalen Rose is 40 today. Yeesh I'm gettin old.
Andre Drummond had 18 & 18 in under 30 minutes off the bench.
"I had to take her down like Chris Brown."