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2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

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    $50 says no fine or warning for this.

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      Regarding Joey Crawford, I know he is usually obnoxious and pisses us off sometimes but honestly I would like him to ref our games in the playoffs against the top teams like Miami or superstar loaded teams in general.
      Never forget

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      • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

        Originally posted by Peck View Post
        At some point in time you are going to have to sit down and write out your player worth manifesto. If David West at 10 million a year isn't worth his contract with the numbers and let's face it team production that we have had since he arrived then I really need to see your formula for what money/contract has value in the NBA.
        The formula is going to be pretty simple when the Pacers start trading players because they don't have the cap space to pay them all, West at 10mil is ok but I believe he is going to get more and knowing Walsh he is going to pay whatever it takes.

        No formula is needed to figure out that the Pacers are overpaying some players, teams in the NBA can only have an amount of overpay players, so far the Pacers are overpaying Roy for few millions, they are overpaying Danny by a lot, they are overpaying Hill by few millions, Tyler, DJ,Green are way overpay, Ian is overpay but for the sake of argument lets say that "the best backup center in the NBA" is not overpay, I don't think you can build a championship team in an small market like Indiana by just throwing money around like a drunk sailor, that's a recipe to fail.
        Last edited by vnzla81; 01-20-2013, 10:28 AM.
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        • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

          Originally posted by rexnom View Post
          Good! This team falls apart entirely without West. He's the heart and soul of the team. Also, its most consistently productive player.
          I remember when people said the same thing about Foster and look how well the Pacers are doing without him.
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          • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            The formula is going to be pretty simple when the Pacers start trading players because they don't have the cap space to pay them all
            Get back to me when you can prove that the Pacers overpaid someone like Memphis did with Rudy Gay.

            You cannot do that though, do you?
            Originally posted by IrishPacer
            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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              Originally posted by Johanvil View Post
              Regarding Joey Crawford, I know he is usually obnoxious and pisses us off sometimes but honestly I would like him to ref our games in the playoffs against the top teams like Miami or superstar loaded teams in general.
              Preaching to the choir here. It would be OK with me if the Crawford Bros officiated all the Pacer playoff games. With Joey [and Danny] you know you will get both a fair share of the calls and be given a chance to play hard.

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              • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                So the Houston Chronicle has a letter from Daryl Morey to Royce White and a portion of a response to it from White's representatives from back in November.

                http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterocket...o-royce-white/

                I hope the Chronicle dug threw a dumpster or something to find that, if the Rockets gave it to them that's poor form.

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                • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                  Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                  So the Houston Chronicle has a letter from Daryl Morey to Royce White and a portion of a response to it from White's representatives from back in November.

                  http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterocket...o-royce-white/

                  I hope the Chronicle dug threw a dumpster or something to find that, if the Rockets gave it to them that's poor form.
                  As far as I understand, those are transcripts from Royce's earlier TV interview for HBO Real Sports. I don't know if Royce himself gave HBO these docs or not, but HBO had first pages of both docs on camera. Basically, chronicle, SI and a few other blogs stopped the frame and transcribed what was visible.

                  I saw someone post a Royce tweet where he claims that it's the Rockets leaking. But what's the point for the Rockets to leak first pages, anyway.

                  Btw, the second doc is the infamous "protocol" that Royce keeps talking about. basically, he wants to Rockets to amend his contract and add this protocol. But as far as I understand, it's not allowed under CBA, so they've been stuck for months with Royce sitting at home and collecting checks. Which might be what Royce really wants, I wouldn't be surprised by anything at this point. The guy has lied and been caught or used evasive language so much that i just take anything he says with a grain of salt at this point.
                  Last edited by hackashaq; 01-20-2013, 11:36 AM.

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                    Originally posted by hackashaq View Post
                    As far as I understand, those are transcripts from Royce's earlier TV interview for HBO Real Sports. I don't know if Royce himself gave HBO these docs or not, but HBO had first pages of both docs on camera. Basically, chronicle, SI and a few other blogs stopped the frame and transcribed what was visible.

                    I saw someone post a Royce tweet where he claims that it's the Rockets leaking. But what's the point for the Rockets to leak first pages, anyway.

                    Btw, the second doc is the infamous "protocol" that Royce keeps talking about. basically, he wants to Rockets to amend his contract and add this protocol. But as far as I understand, it's not allowed under CBA, so they've been stuck for months with Royce sitting at home and collecting checks. Which might be what Royce really wants, I wouldn't be surprised by anything at this point. The guy has lied and been caught or used evasive language so much that i just take anything he says with a grain of salt at this point.
                    He's not collecting checks. The Rockets have been fining him for a couple months since he won't show up for anything. It'd actually cost them more money to cut him since his first two years are guaranteed.

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                      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                      I remember when people said the same thing about Foster and look how well the Pacers are doing without him.
                      Hahaha. Yeah cause they are pretty comparable those 2. Especially to what they offered on the offensive end.
                      Never forget

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                      • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                        Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                        He is a good player. Solid, feisty defender at the PG spot. He is athletic and plays with energy. Good rebounder for a PG, has the ability to penetrate and dish. Not the greatest shooter of all time but he can keep a defense honest.

                        I really want the Pacers to utilize the international market more. You can find gems if you know how to do it.

                        I started to notice him towards the end of the game. He looked like he could defend. It looked like he had long arms was was athletic. Just thinking about him as a possible b/u PG next year.

                        I wish you'd put a bug in the Pacers FO ears about some good International players you think would be a good player in the future.

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                          Originally posted by Cubs231721 View Post
                          Exactly. It took Delfino until August 13th to sign a 1 year deal with a team option for a 2nd year. He waited until free agency was just about over (it had been over a month since free agency started) before he settled for that little. Green wasn't signing that sort of deal (1 year with 2 team options) in the first week of free agency. He would have waited just like Delfino did to see if something better came along.
                          Bird called Dahntay right after midnight the year DJ was a FA, and signed him to a 4 year contract too. Being 1st or the earliest doesn't make it the best decision. Not to metion, I highly doubt Green was in that high of demand from other teams.

                          You'd be surprised at the bench players who have TO years or numerous unguaranteed years on their contracts. Having patience can have it's benefits, and a player who has never succeeded in BB b4 his last 30 plus games isn't someone to rush into sign. I'll play the devil's advocate and ask how's that rushing in to signing Green paying off? As I've said b4, I wasn't against signing Green, I just don't like his FULLY GUARANTEED CONTRACT. IMO, it was poor management. If he ends up not being the player expected, the guaranteed contract makes it a blunder. If Augustin doesn't produce, he's only a 1 year mistake, and not a 3 year mistake.

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                            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                            The formula is going to be pretty simple when the Pacers start trading players because they don't have the cap space to pay them all, West at 10mil is ok but I believe he is going to get more and knowing Walsh he is going to pay whatever it takes.

                            No formula is needed to figure out that the Pacers are overpaying some players, teams in the NBA can only have an amount of overpay players, so far the Pacers are overpaying Roy for few millions, they are overpaying Danny by a lot, they are overpaying Hill by few millions, Tyler, DJ,Green are way overpay, Ian is overpay but for the sake of argument lets say that "the best backup center in the NBA" is not overpay, I don't think you can build a championship team in an small market like Indiana by just throwing money around like a drunk sailor, that's a recipe to fail.

                            Tyler is on a rookie contract. The Pacers are paying Tyler what the NBA dictates. 3 mil for Tyler isn't exactly overpaying him.

                            I must confess since DWest has become a Pacer Tyler's last 2 seasons stats has regressed. Partly b/c of less PT, and partly b/c of his poor production. It will be interesting to see who the b/u PF is next year.

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                              Originally posted by spreedom View Post


                              $50 says no fine or warning for this.
                              It looks more like Griffin saw the elbow coming...avoided it by moving his head / body back and then re-engaged Nene. This wasn't like the Bosh head-fake with Boozer where he went down like a bag of potatoes.
                              Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                              • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                                The formula is going to be pretty simple when the Pacers start trading players because they don't have the cap space to pay them all, West at 10mil is ok but I believe he is going to get more and knowing Walsh he is going to pay whatever it takes.

                                No formula is needed to figure out that the Pacers are overpaying some players, teams in the NBA can only have an amount of overpay players, so far the Pacers are overpaying Roy for few millions, they are overpaying Danny by a lot, they are overpaying Hill by few millions, Tyler, DJ,Green are way overpay, Ian is overpay but for the sake of argument lets say that "the best backup center in the NBA" is not overpay, I don't think you can build a championship team in an small market like Indiana by just throwing money around like a drunk sailor, that's a recipe to fail.
                                The Pacers paid Market value for Hibbert.......they didn't bid against themselves like they did for Inferno or Foster ( if I recall correctly ) and paid more than they had to. Is it more than what you'd be comfortable paying? Given his current production...I'm guessing that you're answer is yes....but given the revelation about his wrist injury and that he hasn't faded into the background on the defensive end....would your answer be different if he was producing at the same level as last season?

                                As for Granger, same thing here....at the time that he was paid....Granger was getting roughly the same amount....in other words, Market value....as Players in the same tier as he was ( Iggy and Deng ).

                                For GH.....I agree it's debatable that he's overpaid......cuz it's possible that they were bidding against themselves....but I ( and my guess is others ) think that we are paying a good price for a Starting Quality PG. Sure, he's not in the same league as DWill, Westbrook or CP3...heck, not even in the same tier as Jrue Holiday....but given that he's running the offense the way that Vogel wants to, all the intangilbles and the defense.....I'm okay with what he was paid.

                                For Hansbrough...as someone pointed out....he's on a Rookie Contract.

                                As for DJ and Green, I'm not going to disagree there.
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