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2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

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  • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

    Oh and I'd do the same thing. **** the record.

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      http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8917490

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        Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
        23 3-pointers for the Rockets, in 40 attempts, made by 9 different players!

        I think that the Rockets are still sinking 3pt shots in Houston....
        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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        • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

          Originally posted by CableKC View Post
          I think that the Rockets are still sinking 3pt shots in Houston....
          I can hear Peck singing now: "And the Roc-kets red glaaaare, the bombs burs-ting in aaaair...."


          "He’s no shrinking violet when it comes to that kind of stuff."

          - Rick Carlisle on how Kevin Pritchard responds to needed roster changes.

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            Originally posted by DrFife View Post
            I can hear Peck singing now: "And the Roc-kets red glaaaare, the bombs burs-ting in aaaair...."
            "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

            -Lance Stephenson

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              Kurt Helin ‏@basketballtalk
              Watch Houston Rockets knock down 23 threes (VIDEO) http://dlvr.it/2vj6Cb


              My gift to Peck
              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                5 Feb 013


                Earl Clark 14/12/0- 1 Stl/1BS

                Dalembert 35/12/2-0/1

                B Lopez 30/11/0- 0/3

                K Marshall 11/0/4

                Z-Bo 21/13/2

                Bayless 292/2- 1/0

                Lin 28/1/9 - 1/0

                Parsons 16/4/8

                Patterson 12/10/3

                Asik 11/15

                W Chandler 7/10/1- 0/2


                J Jack 20/1/5

                JO 14/4/3- 2/1

                Dunleavy 6/3/2


                Denver 53 Reb

                Houston 140 points & 35 Ast

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                • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                  Sheridan: Al Jefferson to Spurs?
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                  By Chris Sheridan
                  February 06, 2013 at 2:00 PM

                  The NBA trade deadline journalism racket is a tricky minefield to navigate. The business is driven by rumors, many of which are founded in truth; others of which are utterly fictitious.

                  Distinguishing between the two differentiates the good basketball Web sites from the bad sites.

                  But figuring out who is available is not rocket science if you speak to the right people, and I speak to a lot of plugged-in people on a regular basis.

                  Here is the latest they are telling me: The San Antonio Spurs are the front-runners to land Al Jefferson in a trade with the Utah Jazz — and they are frontrunners like Secretariat was in the 1973 Belmont Stakes.

                  Here’s why, followed by a how.

                  “Those teams are practically incestuous, they are on such good terms internally,” one NBA source told me Wednesday.

                  Indeed, Spurs assistant general manager Scott Layden left Utah prior to this season after spending several seasons as an assistant coach for the Jazz and joined R.C. Buford’s staff in San Antonio’s secrecy vault front office. Also, former Spurs assistant GM Dennis Lindsey is now doing the legwork for Utah’s grand poohbah, Kevin O’Connor.

                  The Jazz do not want to lose Jefferson for nothing when he becomes an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season, and they have a former overall No. 1 pick, Enes Kanter, ready to step in and fill the void that would be left by Jefferson’s departure.

                  Yes, Jefferson makes them a better playoff team. But no, the Jazz are not fooling themselves into believing they are championship material at this point.

                  And if Dwight Howard is not available on the free agent market this summer, Jefferson immediately becomes the No. 1 center available.

                  So the time for the Jazz to move him is NOW, and the team with the biggest need for an upgrade at center is the Spurs, whose inability to protect the rim was one of the prime reasons for their collapse in last year’s Western Conference finals when they had won 20 in a row and had a 2-0 lead on the Thunder, only to lose the next four.

                  Next: The Jazz need a point guard, and the Spurs have two of them not named Tony Parker. So you can expect Patty Mills (who Lindsey is familiar with and fond of) to be the preferable choice over Nando de Colo.

                  The Jazz also need some value coming back in this trade, and the Spurs have one last Eurostash asset in Erazem Lorbek, who has been profiled on this site by writer A.J. Mitnick.

                  Presumably they’d also ask for Tiago Splitter, because somebody would need to back up Kanter, and because Splitter is having an improved season in the year his contract expires — meaning Utah would not be taking on any long-term financial obligation.

                  San Antonio throws in Stephen Jackson for salary-matching purposes (almost an exact match), and voila.
                  Pat Mills + Splitter + expiring + sweetener (Lorbek)
                  I don't know if that's legit but seems pretty good for both sides.

                  PS: Sheridan sounds pretty cocky (the part in bold at the start).

                  http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/02...rson-to-spurs/

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                  • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                    Which 2012 All-Star has been the biggest disappointment this season?

                    Deron Williams 12k
                    Roy Hibbert 6k
                    Andre Iguodala 2k
                    Steve Nash 5k


                    ...great, when we suck they notice...

                    Honestly though, I think people are taking notice of us.

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                    • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                      Hibbert has been a tremendous defensive anchor this season. He's not producing like a dominant center, but he's leading like one.

                      He doesn't belong on that list, honestly.

                      It reminds me a bit of when Jeff Van Gundy said in 2004 he wouldn't even want Ben Wallace on his team because he's not enough of an offensive threat.

                      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

                      Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
                      Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
                      NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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                      • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                        Originally posted by PurduePacer View Post
                        Which 2012 All-Star has been the biggest disappointment this season?

                        Deron Williams 12k
                        Roy Hibbert 6k
                        Andre Iguodala 2k
                        Steve Nash 5k


                        ...great, when we suck they notice...

                        Honestly though, I think people are taking notice of us.
                        Hibbert was very highly regarded among non-Pacers fans last year, in my experience. I had multiple chats with non-fans over the summer and I was surprised by how highly they thought of Hibbert. Definitely much higher than I did and than most of this board did.
                        I mean, I was in favor of matching and keeping Hibbert but I never considered him a top 3 center or such. A lot of non-Pacers fans did, in my experience.

                        I think those block parties in the playoffs + his advanced stats (which were insanely good last year, especially synergy) led to people having distorted perception. Which makes their disappointment so much bigger. To me, he hasn't been THAT disappointing. Underwhelming, sure, especially to start the season. But he's a major part of the league best defense. But those who thought of him as an almost a superstar, it has to be very disappointing.

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                        • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                          Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                          Hibbert has been a tremendous defensive anchor this season. He's not producing like a dominant center, but he's leading like one.

                          He doesn't belong on that list, honestly.

                          It reminds me a bit of when Jeff Van Gundy said in 2004 he wouldn't even want Ben Wallace on his team because he's not enough of an offensive threat.
                          There was a moment where Roy dove on the floor last night for a ball, and I was thinking to myself how many other max centers would do that in the league, Noah, Chandler, Roy, is that the list? Roy is definitely setting a tone defensively, every loose ball should be ours.


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                            Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                            There was a moment where Roy dove on the floor last night for a ball, and I was thinking to myself how many other max centers would do that in the league, Noah, Chandler, Roy, is that the list? Roy is definitely setting a tone defensively, every loose ball should be ours.
                            if we are looking strictly at "max", then Roy is the only one on that list...

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                              Al to San Antonio makes sense.
                              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                                This sucks.
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