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    He's a good coach. Just don't know if he'll be around long enough to see the Bobcats become contenders. The yelling and screaming wears thin quickly.

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    I like Dunlap for this Charlotte roster. Lot of creative zone trapping stuff, college style get in your face motivation stuff. I have major doubts about a style like that flying on a home court advantage team. Hopefully he can adapt because I think he's a good coach, but look at that Charlotte roster, it's basically a team of college All Americans.

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    interesting recap: http://deadspin.com/5962514/d+iii-pl...ated-by-anyone

    Some things have been mentioned before, but some I wasn't aware of.
    A non-NCAA team, and it was an exhibition game for them.... /sigh

    D-III Player’s 138 Point-Game Is A Sham Record And Shouldn’t Be Celebrated By Anyone
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    Jack Taylor, of the Grinnell College Pioneers, scored 138 points in a game last night, against Faith Baptist Bible College. It's a mindblowing number, shattering the old NCAA mark of 113, and it's being trumpeted as one of sports' all-time individual achievements. It is not. It is ********. It is just the latest incarnation of Grinnell's decades-old strategy of seeking media attention for records achieved through a complete *******ization of basketball.

    David Arseneault is the man behind the plan. Since becoming Grinnell coach in 1989, Arseneault has focused less on putting together a successful team and more on getting his players' names in the record books. And, not incidentally, selling books and videos touting his innovative "system." At least three separate times a Grinnell player has set the D-III single-game scoring record, and each one has gotten national attention. In 1998, Jeff Clement went for 77 points, and received a story in Sports Illustrated. Last season Griffin Lentsch scored 89 points, and got a feature on ESPN.com. Today, Taylor's 138-point game is everywhere.

    Arseneault describes his system:

    94S + 47 3's + 33%OR + 25SD + 32 TO's = W
    The ‘Formula for Success' has withstood the test of time. Since 1996, whenever the Pioneers have attempted 94 shots, with half of those shots from behind the arc, offensive rebounded 33% of their missed shot attempts, taken 25 more shots than their opponent and forced the opposition into committing 32 turnovers, they have won at nearly a 95% clip.

    But it's much more than just taking a lot of threes, or winning the turnover battle. According to a former Grinnell player who took part in one of those record-setting games, the gameplan is designed from the outset to get a specific player the scoring mark, even at the expense of making a mockery of the game. The player told Deadspin:

    "The strategy was to use a full court press after a made basket, with the caveat that [the player seeking the record] would not cross into the defensive side of the court. So, after our opponents broke our press, we were essentially playing four-on-five, which enabled the other team to take quicker shots and fall into our game plan.

    "The rationale is to essentially trade off a quick two or more attempts at lower probability 3-point shots. Given the high pace required for the system, Grinnell shifts in five players every 30 to 45 seconds. Within each shift there is a primary shooter who will take the bulk of threes (or shots) during the shift."

    This worked to perfection last night, and you can see it in the play-by-play. Grinnell would regularly sub out four players at a time, keeping Taylor on the court to continue chucking up threes—71 attempts from beyond the arc, to be specific. He also rarely bothered getting back on defense, with Grinnell content to let Faith Baptist score a quick two, if they didn't turn the ball over immediately. Taylor finished with just three rebounds, all off his own misses.

    This, then, is how you score 138 points—a defense designed to get the ball back as fast as possible, even if it means letting the other team score. And the entire offense being funneled through one player, at the expense of turning down open shots. Tyler Burns rewatched the entire game, and had a few observations:

    There were a LOT of possessions where Taylor would chuck up a shot, miss, and his teammate would get the rebound wide open under the basket. Instead of putting it back up, he would look for Taylor again and pass it out so he could chuck another three. There were many possessions where this happened three times each. Six three-point attempts in two trips down the court.

    Literally 75% of [Faith Baptist's] points were full court heaves to get it over Grinnell's press, then a wide open layup on the other end. Oh, and David Larsen's "impressive" 70-point effort? Hardly. They were 90% wide open layups. He maybe took a handful of jump shots.

    Wilt Chamberlain's 100 points were also achieved through a concerted effort to get him the ball, but at least it came against NBA competition. Grinnell may as well have been playing against five random guys thrown together at the Y. Faith Baptist Bible College is a school of 330 students, and isn't even in the NCAA. They're not even NAIA. They play in the National Christian College Athletic Association, and Division II of the NCCAA at that.

    Last night's game counted as an exhibition for Faith Baptist, but was somehow a regular season game for Grinnell.

    Why does the level of the opposition matter? Because Arseneault and Grinnell specifically plan their record-breaking games against inferior opponents. Tyler Burns again:

    The announcer actually said that Grinnell will look on their schedule for their weaker opponents and do everything they can to run up the score and break records. This is all within the game plan. One tactic the announcer mentioned was called "The Bomb Squad". If Grinnell's opponent gets into the double bonus, Grinnell will sub in five freshmen players, foul their opponent immediately once the ball is in play, send them to the line, then sub the freshmen players out to put their scorers back in on offense. This takes almost no time off the clock, giving their starters as many offensive possessions as possible.

    Jack Taylor set a record, but it's an empty one. Important records come naturally in the flow of competition, not as some freakshow designed to make SportsCenter. Taylor took 108 shots by himself, the same number as Indiana and Georgetown took last night combined. (They scored 154 points between them.) Taylor shot 49 percent from the field, 38 percent from three. These are the only figures that ought to matter when judging his evening, yet no one will remember anything but his 138 points. Because it's much easier to tout an inflated scoring figure than to actually watch the game, and realize just how empty and artificial the achievement is.

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    Crazy ending in the Wiz/Hawks game

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    Al Horford with a silly stat line. 15-10-9, with 1-10 from the free throw line...

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    Asik and destroy!!!

    Asik just blocked the **** out of Noah to finish off the Bulls

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    Bulls, Pacers both one game under .500; Bucks leading the division.

    Just as everyone predicted.

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    @basketballtalk: Video: Atlanta’s Kyle Korver drains game-winning three http://t.co/5Tc0gbto #PBT #NBA

    Damn.

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    The main highlight of the Wizards-Hawks game: Al Horford's little brother


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    John Henson subbing for an ejected Larry Sanders had 17 points and 18 rebounds. Wow.

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    I didn't even know Chase Budinger tore his meniscus a week ago. Poor Wolves.

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    Marcin Gortat, a center for the Phoenix Suns, is reportedly a target of the Boston Celtics, who may submit a trade proposal for the Polish big man.


    http://boston.sbnation.com/2012/11/2...-2012-nba-news

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    Marcin Gortat, a center for the Phoenix Suns, is reportedly a target of the Boston Celtics, who may submit a trade proposal for the Polish big man.


    http://boston.sbnation.com/2012/11/2...-2012-nba-news
    If Boston manages to pull this trade out then they're going to be very dangerous. Marcin is a legit starting Center and will help fix the C's biggest problem (rebounding).

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    If Boston manages to pull this trade out then they're going to be very dangerous. Marcin is a legit starting Center and will help fix the C's biggest problem (rebounding).
    The Celtics may have to sacrifice their depth for Gortat, but I agree that they'll become very dangerous if the trade happens.

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    The Celtics may have to sacrifice their depth for Gortat, but I agree that they'll become very dangerous if the trade happens.
    They'll sacrifice some of their future (picks and a young player like Sully) for a few more runs. I think that this will be on their favor

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    Orlando and Plumlee have been awful. Really haven't had one good play on ethier end. Plumlee like always in college looks lost. If I was the Mad Ants coach I wouldn't play them in the 4th. In the other game in watching Harden had 15 first half Fts Ronnie Brewer can't keep him in front of him. Then they put kid on him and it's even worse. Harden is just a hand ful.

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    ^box score:

    http://www.nba.com/dleague/games/201...t2hp2021200002

    plum-smuggler had a few rebounds at least, but fg % & +/- = suck.

    OJ has been consistently, and inexplicably, atrocious since summer league. How did the scouts miss this so bad? Level of competition at UCSB?

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    Does Dwight Howard kind of suck now? What's his deal?

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    Does Dwight Howard kind of suck now? What's his deal?
    He is still hurt and out of shape.

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    He is still hurt and out of shape.
    I like my version of reality better.

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    Chandler Parsons can ball. Disagree if you want on Morey's team building philosophy, but dude can draft in the 2nd round.

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    Chandler Parsons can ball. Disagree if you want on Morey's team building philosophy, but dude can draft in the 2nd round.
    They still have enough assets to reel in another star too. I think they are building around this Harden-Asik-Lin core. Not going to strike the fear of God into anyone, but they have some pieces there.

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    I like my version of reality better.
    Well I don't think he is getting as high as he used to, I remember Gasol and others throwing it up there for him to get it and he is not getting them, the other issue is that he is also not getting the space he used to get, hate Vangundy all you want but the guy gave Howard space to do damage, now with Gasol and Artest in the lineup Howard is pretty much double team all the time.

    And with that said Howard is still putting good numbers until today.

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    They still have enough assets to reel in another star too. I think they are building around this Harden-Asik-Lin core. Not going to strike the fear of God into anyone, but they have some pieces there.
    They've got 10+ million to spend next summer plus some solid young guys. If Morey does nothing else the guy collects assets. Say the season continues being a disaster for the Lakers and they finally dump Pau, not ideal at all, but Lin/Harden/X (gotta demand Parsons in a deal, so Jones starting maybe)/Pau/Asik. That's an odd fit age wise and it's not about to get a title, but it's something at least. Maybe work an Amare deal. Morey's obviously not too risk averse.

    Maybe just shed a little money and outright sign Josh Smith.

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