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    As the Indiana Pacers prepare for what should be their most successful season in years, there is one question that keeps popping up among those who take a long look at the team.

    Have the Pacers gone as far as they can go with Danny Granger as their star?

    I dont believe that, Pacers GM Kevin Pritchard told HOOPSWORLD. I dont buy that at all.

    The way Pritchard sees it, Granger was forced to play a role he was not naturally fit for when the Pacers made him their focal point.

    Danny was put into a position a few years ago where he needed to score a lot and now we dont need his scoring as much, we need his overall game and hes a heck of an overall player, Pritchard said. Thats what we need out of Danny and he gives it. Hes shown to be very unselfish, hes given up a lot of his offense to be a better defensive player last year. We got the fifth-best record in the league last year, you dont just say, We dont need him. Thats a bunch of baloney. I dont believe that.


    All eyes in Indiana are now on Roy Hibbert, sporting his impressive new contract, and Paul George, who has star potential written all over him.

    I think our growth has to be on those two, partly, Pritchard said. I also think George Hill has to expand his game. Hes now a starter, we expect a lot out of him. What we like about him is that he really plays both ways, he can really defend and he makes great decisions on offense. We need that sort of calming influence and he gives it to us.

    There is still plenty of room for the Pacers to grow, despite their success last season. Most of that growth will come internally, but dont expect Granger to be used to add another significant piece down the road. He is still very much at the heart of what the Pacers are looking to do.
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    All credibility out the window for spelling the word bologna like that.

    Danny Granger should never be traded IMO because I can't see much less predict a trade where we get the equal bang for the buck that DG brings us (as not only a seasoned vet, but an INDIANA seasoned vet, his above average defense, his fire when dealing with LeWhine James, and his overall tenacious attitude. I think it fits with what i want Indiana basketball to be). And if you've never read the article about Danny and his "old man moves", much like David West i think DG's game will transition well into his 33-34th birthday
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    All credibility out the window for spelling the word bologna like that.

    Danny Granger should never be traded IMO because I can't see much less predict a trade where we get the equal bang for the buck that DG brings us (as not only a seasoned vet, but an INDIANA seasoned vet, his above average defense, his fire when dealing with LeWhine James, and his overall tenacious attitude. I think it fits with what i want Indiana basketball to be). And if you've never read the article about Danny and his "old man moves", much like David West i think DG's game will transition well into his 33-34th birthday
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    Without Danny, this team doesn't have the same edge when backed into a corner. Danny doesn't shy away from anything (Clutch defense, shooting) and seems to believe his team can and will win in every circumstance. That's tough to replace.

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    All credibility out the window for spelling the word bologna like that.
    Mr. Mernatsi would disagree with you there. When not referring to the sandwich meat, "baloney" is a perfectly acceptable spelling for the word. Kevin Pritchard should have used the word "mularkey" or the phrase "bunch of stuff" to catch up with the times.

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    Mr. Mernatsi would disagree with you there. When not referring to the sandwich meat, "baloney" is a perfectly acceptable spelling for the word.
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    I do believe that the traditionally poor distribution skills of Pacers point guards have had an impact on the shooting percentages of our players, particularly our perimeter players. Without a good distributor I contend that there is a greater likelihood of possessions ending in hurried shots to beat the shot clock. And, more often than not, it is a perimeter player that is forced to take the hurried shot.

    I'm hoping that Hill and Augustine both prove more capable than previous at getting the ball to open players in their sweet spots. So, wat am I expecting this year? One of the biggest improvements I am expecting is a better shooting percentage for our team as a whole. With our better athleticism and distribution, I also expect to see us shoot more free throws as opponents attempt to recover to our shooters.

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    Actually, he is correct. Balogna is food; baloney means foolishness. Not trying to be a smart-***, just trying to help.

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    All credibility out the window for spelling the word bologna like that.

    Danny Granger should never be traded IMO because I can't see much less predict a trade where we get the equal bang for the buck that DG brings us (as not only a seasoned vet, but an INDIANA seasoned vet, his above average defense, his fire when dealing with LeWhine James, and his overall tenacious attitude. I think it fits with what i want Indiana basketball to be). And if you've never read the article about Danny and his "old man moves", much like David West i think DG's game will transition well into his 33-34th birthday

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    Nice to read. I completely agree with him, too. Early on, Danny showed really great flashes of an all-around game: defense, rebounding, high-efficiency shooting, and a decent dribble. For several years it was clear he was forcing things (especially the long ball) on offense, which mostly was a better option than anything else we had. I'd really like to see what he looks like when he's letting the game come to him and really working on having an all-around effective game, instead of just chucking threes.

    I thought last year was a very good step in this direction, but I'm hoping to see even more of it this season.
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    I've never understood this Danny is a bad defender thing. Outside of Lebron (who kills everybody) I can't think of a single player "lighting" Danny up. (In fact, during the first 3 games of the MIA series, Danny was even giving Bron a little bit of trouble.)

    He's had his lapse in effort where a less talented player has scored 15 points, but I just cant recall too many games where Danny is just taken to school.

    If you want to complain about his shot selection, and maybe his tendency to force a shot or two--I can see it.
    But his defense? I've thought since the coaching change, Danny's defense has gone back to Pre-MIP Danny. (less athleticism, more physicality)

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    I've never understood this Danny is a bad defender thing. Outside of Lebron (who kills everybody) I can't think of a single player "lighting" Danny up. (In fact, during the first 3 games of the MIA series, Danny was even giving Bron a little bit of trouble.)

    He's had his lapse in effort where a less talented player has scored 15 points, but I just cant recall too many games where Danny is just taken to school.

    If you want to complain about his shot selection, and maybe his tendency to force a shot or two--I can see it.
    But his defense? I've thought since the coaching change, Danny's defense has gone back to Pre-MIP Danny. (less athleticism, more physicality)
    Ronnie Brewer against Danny is one of those games that comes to mind, Danny's lazines made Brewer look amazing, I could bring more examples but I don't feel like it

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    Ronnie Brewer against Danny is one of those games that comes to mind, Danny's lazines made Brewer look amazing, I could bring more examples but I don't feel like it
    Lol you just proved my point! I agree that Danny gets lazy against inferior offensive players, but it's not like Brewer went for 30. Dude scored like 18-21 pts.

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    Lol you just proved my point! I agree that Danny gets lazy against inferior offensive players, but it's not like Brewer went for 30. Dude scored like 18-21 pts.
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    I've never understood this Danny is a bad defender thing. Outside of Lebron (who kills everybody) I can't think of a single player "lighting" Danny up. (In fact, during the first 3 games of the MIA series, Danny was even giving Bron a little bit of trouble.)

    He's had his lapse in effort where a less talented player has scored 15 points, but I just cant recall too many games where Danny is just taken to school.

    If you want to complain about his shot selection, and maybe his tendency to force a shot or two--I can see it.
    But his defense? I've thought since the coaching change, Danny's defense has gone back to Pre-MIP Danny. (less athleticism, more physicality)
    He cant guard Mello and he struggles against high energy guys like Brewer and the dude from Denver. Danny can be a good defender when he wants to, but he's not a stopper or a guy you put on the other teams best player like Deng and Iggy... guys he's usually compared to.

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    He cant guard Mello and he struggles against high energy guys like Brewer and the dude from Denver. Danny can be a good defender when he wants to, but he's not a stopper or a guy you put on the other teams best player like Deng and Iggy... guys he's usually compared to.
    Danny isn't a stopper by any means, and he's a much better shooter/scorer than those two. Those two guys never had to shoulder the offensive load DG's had to in the past.

    We've all had this argument countless times, I just don't think he's a below average defender. Stopper? Not at all. Good defender? Very much so

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    He's not going anywhere.

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    Doubt he gets moved...but if he were to be traded, it won't be till after this season.
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    He is not going anywhere... Because nobody in their right mind would trade for a guy like him making that kind of money, not only that but it looks like his knee is starting to be an issue, unless the Pacers think about giving him away for nothing I don't see a team trading anything of great value for him.

    Danny is here to stay forever until his knee or back falls apart ala Foster.

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    He is not going anywhere... Because nobody in their right mind would trade for a guy like him making that kind of money, not only that but it looks like his knee is starting to be an issue, unless the Pacers think about giving him away for nothing I don't see a team trading anything of great value for him.

    Danny is here to stay forever until his knee or back falls apart ala Foster.
    There's always Kahn, right? Dude loves Granger and he's bat-**** crazy. Granger for Williams!

    /I kid, I kid...about the trade. I def think Kahn would trade for him.
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    He is not going anywhere... Because nobody in their right mind would trade for a guy like him making that kind of money, not only that but it looks like his knee is starting to be an issue, unless the Pacers think about giving him away for nothing I don't see a team trading anything of great value for him.

    Danny is here to stay forever until his knee or back falls apart ala Foster.
    Just out of curiosity... what would Danny have to do this season to get you to give him a break? Score more? Pass more? Rebound more? Defend more? Stop breathing?
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    Just out of curiosity... what would Danny have to do this season to get you to give him a break? Score more? Pass more? Rebound more? Defend more? Stop breathing?
    Put out a better stat line than M. Ellis, while winning more games?
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    Just out of curiosity... what would Danny have to do this season to get you to give him a break? Score more? Pass more? Rebound more? Defend more? Stop breathing?
    Do you really think a team in their right mind would trade for him and his high salary and give something of value in return? it's not even about me liking him or not it's about reality, his knee has been an issue for a while now, remember the time you wanted to trade Dunleavy before his value went to the toilet because of his knee? yep same story different player.

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    Do you really think a team in their right mind would trade for him and his high salary and give something of value in return? it's not even about me liking him or not it's about reality, his knee has been an issue for a while now, remember the time you wanted to trade Dunleavy before his value went to the toilet because of his knee? yep same story different player.
    If Philly can get Bynum (who you yourself dubbed a superstar) for Iguoudala and the remaining 2 yrs 30M on his deal, I am absolutely certain we can get "value" for Granger and the remaining 2 years 27M of his deal.

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    Do you really think a team in their right mind would trade for him and his high salary and give something of value in return? it's not even about me liking him or not it's about reality, his knee has been an issue for a while now, remember the time you wanted to trade Dunleavy before his value went to the toilet because of his knee? yep same story different player.
    So... I'm going to mark you down as "Refusing to answer." Which is pretty much what I expected.
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