I think early in the season we will see a 10 man rotation. And most of the season see a 9 man rotation. My concern is that if Augustin needs the ball to be effective, and Lance needs the ball to be effective...either one of them is going to have to start...or Vogel will need to change his method of substitution. Because the line change will not work with DJ/Lance/Green on the court at the same time for 4-5 minutes at a time.
First off, I mentioned Hans once, so I don't know where you thought this was becoming another Hans thread.
2nd, Lance was barely given more than 10min a game on occasions, most seemingly around 6-8min...with some DNPs mixed in. I guess by your definition that's given time early in the season. To me, that's garbage minutes, and not really a way to evaluate someone.
Lance's main problem is that he'd let a little success go to his head. He'd have a pretty good game and then put up a turd the next.
I'm hopeful for Lance this season. With consistent minutes, we'll likely see him improve greatly along the way.
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I'm just happy that no matter what happens on the court, I think Lance has proved he has changed his mind set. He stays in Indy working out all summer, not going home. Plus, I think it's pretty obvious he doesn't still think he's "all that" so to speak. He knows he needs to work to get a spot in the league and needs to improve, not just rely on natural ability.
I think of this too: his rookie year, who would've thought Lance would be training in Indy and watching extra tape with coaches? Probably few of us.
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Some guys scowl and complain and play hard while doing it Lance isnt one of them.
When I went to the preseason game this year it was the first time I've left a game thinking Lance didn't look like he should have been pulled almost immediately. Yet, let's not get ahead of ourselves with the Tyreke Evans comparison. Lance is just now looking like he could deserve some minutes at the age of 22, and while some of you say that's young .... Tyreke was scoring 20 PPG at the age of 20 in the NBA. Tyreke was better in college, and has been better every year you could compare them by ages. It's not even remotely close. Lance has to make some unprecidented kind of jump this year to get in that category.
I don't think it is a question of whether any of us / each of us "likes" Lance. We are mostly Pacers fans here, so we all want each player to become the best he can be.
I think it really boils down to what each of us expects from Lance. Last year, I would have given Lance about a 10% chance of panning out. Now, I think it's more about 50-50.
But those of you who are whining that Lance has not been given a proper chance because he hasn't gotten his 15-20 minutes per game like Tyler or others, get over it. That's not the way the real world works. Low end bench players are GIVEN minutes as they become available. If they are productive with those minutes IN THE EYES OF THE COACH then they will have EARNED greater considerations at a later opportunity.
But to get greater minutes, as a low end bench player, he must also convince his coach with his play that he can contribute more to winning games than players ahead of him in the pecking order. That's the way it should be. It's just business and it's Vogel's job. Vogel is not going to give or reduce minutes base on wwhether or not he likes the person. It's only about keeping all players as fresh as he can and getting as many Ws as he can.
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But he didn't. I think he'll get his chance this year. I'm eager to watch Lance show what he can do much like other players on the team, and to watch them grow and get better.
Thank God our bench depth isn't a mirage this year. No longer will the starters go out with a 20pt lead and have it evaporate in a matter of minutes. It might just be me, but I felt the Pacers should have had so many blowout wins last year, but that bench was ****ing horrible. DJ, Lance, Green, Hans and Ian is a pretty solid group in my eyes.
PG & Green...Lob City here we come!
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I think you are missing one very valid point. Bird did not coach the team last year. He doesn't coach the team this year A GM will very rarely dictate who is going to play and how much.
It is the coach's responsibility to win as many games as possible, his job depends on it. In that regard, I believe Vogel does an excellent job. Therefore, I have no reason to question his player usage.
I believe Vogel has proven himself to be a player's coach. He will play the players who will help the team to win games, regardless of who they are. Therefore, again I have no reason to question his judgement.
Whining? That's a little harsh. I'd say we were just sticking up for a player that not many people believed in. We recognized the talent he has and didn't want to just throw that away like so many here would like to have done years ago. All we wanted was for him to have a chance to sink or swim with consistent minutes in real NBA games at some point, and now apparently he's earned that opportunity. It's all up to him what he does with it.